Nixon, Billy Graham on tape expressing anti-semitism

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[Newz Beagle]

Nixon, Graham anti-Semitism on tape President, pastor recorded views in 1972 meeting click on link above.... ...

[SKempis]

Excellent analysis. Thank you.

[Michael2001]

I don't believe this. I know if you taped all of my conversations there are a lot of things that I have said in the past that could be misconstrued as anti-semitic, racist, or anti-Catholic. I don't know if Nixon and Billy Graham were joking here, maybe being sarcastic, or if they understood that they were referring to liberal Jews and not all Jews. Regardless, actions speak louder than words. To try to demonize these guys 30 years later is wrong.

[Light Speed]

Sure...Dick was Insecure and struggled during 72 and 73.
Wars and rumours of wars were the norm for this poor man.
I'm sure Jewish lobbyists were making his life a living hell as the sense that war with the Arabs was imminent.
Nixon sold Israel top shelf weapons..and signed on to spares and modifications too.
U.S. defense intel worked with Israel ..as Israel was playing with U.S. weapon systems ..tweaking them..reciprocating the aquired knowledge.
When Jordan was falling apart during "Black September"..Nixon sent Israel to help...a few Israeli Phantom overflights on the Syrian tank div's heading toward Amman..and the crisis was turned..as the Syrian tanks turned back.
For a man with an incredible self image problem...Richard Nixon displayed political and strategic support for Israel.
Billy Grahams character is the concern here.

[Tribune7]

Billy Grahams character is the concern here.

If this is the biggest blot on Billy Graham's character there really isn't a concern.

[BellStar]

He said liberal Jews controlled the media and that was true than and is true today. A statement of fact is not now nor was it ever "hate speech"!

[P-Marlowe]

If this is the biggest blot on Billy Graham's character there really isn't a concern.

Actually I think it is the biggest blot. He has said some stupid things in his life. Haven't we all. Unfortunately Billy Graham is not as perfect as some of the freepers around here think they are.

[Sparkvark]

Where did you learn to hate the Jews so much ?

While reading over this thread I noticed that you ask this question of more than one person, yet the people you ask have said nothing about hateing Jews. Here, have a little of this....

[Godel]

Wait wait wait. I don't have any problem with Jews but I would like a little intellectual consistency. Aren't minorities always complaining about whites controlling businesses etc. Yet no one accuses them of being anti-white racists when they make this claim and demand more representation. Yet the minute someone claims Jews may be overrepresented in media and there should be more "diversity", suddenly that's branded as anti-semitism.

I'd just like to see some honesty here. If it's anti-semitic to express concern about Jews being overrepresented in the media, then it's racist to complain about whites being overrepresented in other fields.

So why isn't the media publishing an article calling themselves racists?

[sakic]

I'd say, prove it with documentation and publically display the documentation so that those who may object can give evidence to the contrary.

Excellent and accurate response!

When the topic is Jews the same documentation is never provided, merely the insinuations.

[a_witness]

Are you quite confident ...

I am quite confident that the heritage of 20th Century German thought lives on the wicked imaginations of some who delude themselves by claiming the name. I hope that addresses your question in language you can understand.

[a_witness]

Your forgot your copy of a certain book imported from Europe. Did you get an autographed copy ?

[bimbo]

that Jews control the American media...

This was true 30 years ago and is true today ... only today, whenever truth conflicts with political correctness, the PC wins out.

[William Terrell]

When the topic is Jews the same documentation is never provided, merely the insinuations.

Then the Jews should call for the providing of documentation and the public posting of it. To date, such documentation be aired anywhere is met with firestorms of accusations of anti-semitism. Even statement such as those made by Marlon Brando, Charlton Heston and, here, Billy Graham are heavily sanctioned. Brando was nearly blackballed.

I'd say, let the anti-semites post their docs and let the Jews refute it. I have no idea if the allegations of media saturation by Jews is accurate or not. I haven't taken the time to do the research, but others say they have. Fine, then let both sides see the evidence. If it is not factual that should allow the Jews to settle the question once and for all.

Don't you think?

[sakic]

The onus should never fall on anyone to disprove an allegation. The onus should always fall on the accuser to provide the documentation, no matter what the topic is.

I just read the morning papers and lo and behold Graham addressed the situation and apologized for it. While I'm still not happy about his comments I appreciate his being man enough to address and refute his earlier statements.

[William Terrell]

The onus should never fall on anyone to disprove an allegation. The onus should always fall on the accuser to provide the documentation, no matter what the topic is.

I agree. Let any evidence compiled get public airing without summary accusations of anti-semitism. If the Jews can refute such evidence, why wouldn't they be glad to see the compilation so it could be proved inaccurate for all time? Why let his issue fester?

I, for one, would like to see it, and the Jews refutation of it.

I just read the morning papers and lo and behold Graham addressed the situation and apologized for it. While I'm still not happy about his comments I appreciate his being man enough to address and refute his earlier statements.

As we know, apologies for statements like that from public faces is done more from fear of accusations of anti-semitism than acknowledgements of a true change of mind. I wouldn't attach a whole lot of credence to it.

[sakic]

I don't put that much credence in it but it's as good as it's gonna get.

[sakic]

By the way, I do acknowledge that the media is percentage-wise over-reprepresented by Jews. The simple and undeniable explantion is that when those industries were in their infancy, many of their founders were Jewish because of the inability of Jews to get into the top schools and industries. The result is a normal outgrowth of that earlier situation.

The other reason for this is the strong emphasis placed in traditional Jewish homes of study being important.

On another note, the idea that the media is somehow responsible for society's ills is infantile and belittles the importance of the home one is raised in.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

I think that there is a very obvious explanation for the hysteria here. Reagan isn't around anymore as a punching bag, so the LIBERALS (i.e., all LIBERALS, including Protestant, Catholic, African-American, male, female, young, old, etc.) want to run against Nixon (and Graham). Before this, it was Pope Pius XII. Remember that? It will be somebody else in a few months. Shakespeare, maybe.

If you put the word "liberal" in front of "Jews" in each of those comments, you've got a political discussion about ideological opponents. I'm sure somewhere on the Left nasty things are said about Christians, Catholics, Fundamentalists,etc. Like Ted Turner, for instance. Remember Al Gore's "extra-chromosome" slur? FDR and JFK's daddy certainly said things about "Jews" that were equally if not more colorful. So has Jesse Jackson. The disproportionate representation of LIBERAL non-Christians in the media is simply a statistical fact. One need not push the PANIC Button with the "J" word to figure this out as a prominent feature of American culture. The national media culture is not exactly staffed by Sunday School teachers. And if it was, you know who would be the first to be crying and screaming about separation of church and state and VAST RIGHT-WING conspiracies. Liberals. Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh have them throwing constant fits as it is.

[William Terrell]

On another note, the idea that the media is somehow responsible for society's ills is infantile and belittles the importance of the home one is raised in.

Your statements are pretty much boilerplate facts, but this one I may be able to take issue with in this way: there seems to be a disturbing trend in the entertainment media to imply the existence of customary behaviors in movies and shorts before the behavior is noted in society in other than fringe elements.

The general wisdom in the past, and now, is that movies and shorts (TV) reflects customary behaviors in society, but there seems to be, more and more, the tendency to anticipate fringe behaviors and apologize for same using intense visuals, and dialogue that presumes that behavior to be widespread, positively sanctioned and acceptable. This is the difference between telling stories and social engineering.

Children, with their lack of life experience, are most affected.

[Salman]

EXTRA! EXTRA!

Stop the presses!

Retired evangelist said something mean in a private conversation thirty years ago!

Now on to less importnant news.