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FR LIVE EVENT-Olympic Scandal Press Conference..
MSNBC.com ^ | February 13, 2002 | Kelly O' Donnell

Posted on 02/13/2002 9:03:17 AM PST by codebreaker

Sandra Bezic with the commentary..


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: olympicslist
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To: bootless
Absolutely. I also wonder what the pro-russian gold bunch on this site really know about the techniques of the sport of figure skating. The Russians were wobbly on both their throws with more than one technical error in the program. You can't just regurgitate each other about what you found appealing about them as opposed to the Canadians because it really doesn't matter. The Russian errors are what the experts are telling you and believe me Sandra Bezic isn 't one to give compliments or support unless really warranted. I urge you to go to iskater.com and read Paul Martini's article about the olympic judging this week. He gives the facts beyond what we think we might have seen. Hell, I feel bad for the Russians because they are victims here punished and humiliated by their own system. They didn't know it was fixed. I'm sure no one asked them if they wanted to win that way.
441 posted on 02/13/2002 12:12:26 PM PST by psycho-sis
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To: discostu
If you are for the Russians to win, you're a liberal. If you see that clearly the Canadians should have won, you're a conservative and correct in your thinking. How did conservatives adopt the liberal mindset?
442 posted on 02/13/2002 12:13:42 PM PST by Osinski
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To: DJ88
Nice how you've now ignored 3 hours of discussion on how artistic merit is 50% of the score and that is a matter of opinion. If the judges thought the same thing about the Canadian performance as I did they wouldn't even have medaled. Instead the judges apparently saw some nice things I missed (probably while trying to gouge my ears out so I wouldn't hear that damn song) so they got the silver. Half the score is subjective, if the judges don't like what they see it doesn't matter how well it's performed, you still lose.
443 posted on 02/13/2002 12:15:20 PM PST by discostu
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To: DJ88
I would SAY the majority rules.

Good thing our country isn't run that way or the Goron would be President.

444 posted on 02/13/2002 12:16:34 PM PST by Osinski
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To: maggiefluffs
HAHAHA....

Pretty cute.

Anyway...

I am sad for the Canadian duo but glad that all this junk is flying especially considering that Salt Lake bought the games.

If they thought giving this press conference was a good idea......they were absolutely wrong.

Seriously folks....we should just stop watching.

445 posted on 02/13/2002 12:18:25 PM PST by VaBthang4
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To: Jaded
This is not going to go away for awhile. Freepers won't be alone here - you should check out the skating message boards. The Russians and Canadians have a lot of loyal fans here and abroad (knowledgeble skating fans)and there are some interesting discussions/debates going on. This might be bigger than the Michelle/Tara issue because of some alleged cheating on the judges part.
446 posted on 02/13/2002 12:20:41 PM PST by LaDivaLoca
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To: colorado tanker;codebreaker
North America unites!

That's their plan...as for me, I want no part of socialist Canada or Mexico.

447 posted on 02/13/2002 12:20:52 PM PST by Osinski
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To: discostu
Which is all the more reason for these 'artistic' events to be excluded from the Olympics. BTW, which is better - Pearl Jam or the Boston Pops?
449 posted on 02/13/2002 12:21:56 PM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: SJackson
It's also a matter of what they saw and how they interpreted it. It's not a defined curve like in diving. Routines are rated by their difficulty and judges are to "keep that in mind". The system was constructed to inpsire people to do harder routines. The harder your routine the more of your sins will be forgiven, but you can always screw up enough to over write the difficulty bonus. Also depending on the angle they were viewing from some of the judges might not have realized a flub was a flub (like those tight jumps, it's possible for people to miss that because of where they're looking or what angle they're viewing from).

That's the problem with these sports. On the one side they're being judged for artistic merit, which is 100% subjective. On the other side they're judged by technical excellence but even there they aren't given real solid directions. It's not like they're told to add X for each triple sow cow attempted and subtract Y for poor landing and subtract Z for poor launches. They're told to take the difficulty and errors into consideration. What the hell does that mean? The answer is there's only 9 people who know what it meant monday night, and they aren't talking.

450 posted on 02/13/2002 12:22:15 PM PST by discostu
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To: psycho-sis
Thanks for the link. I *loved* Martini and Underhill - still remember their return to the ice after Barb took time off to heal after one of her toddlers had accidentally drowned. I still get a lump in my throat thinking about that. I will look.

We had the same "dues paying" system in ballroom, although the financial stakes were considerably lower, and an underdog could actually win.

As a former competitor, I know that any pair worth their salt would never want to win like that. It's tainted from the audience's perspective, but more importantly, they KNOW. "Not like this..." They're a wonderful couple, and they don't deserve this ... but neither do Sale and Pelletier.

451 posted on 02/13/2002 12:24:21 PM PST by bootless
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To: discostu
I think you are missng the point. The judges marks don't reflect what they really thought of the programs artistically or technically because the deal was already made to mark them in ordinals no matter what they presented. That has already been admitted by the panel. It wasn't a fair competiton and we don't know what they really thought of the programs and who they thought should have won. What you liked better if fine with me but you can't debate an issue which has already been shown to be a lie. There was no pairs competiton at the olympics. It was a pre-ordained list of ordinals bought and sold by the different skating federations. Thats not an opinion, thats a fact.
453 posted on 02/13/2002 12:26:15 PM PST by psycho-sis
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To: VaBthang4
No judge has admitted to anything. All that stuff running around is based on a hypothetical situation Costas was discussing.
454 posted on 02/13/2002 12:27:25 PM PST by discostu
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To: Osinski
You want no part of "socialist Canada," eh? Well that's a heck of a carom for the 'ol puck ta take, eh? Hows about a swap - New England for Western Canada?
455 posted on 02/13/2002 12:27:54 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: VaBthang4
And you're a crude ass.
456 posted on 02/13/2002 12:29:31 PM PST by Osinski
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To: codebreaker
About all I can say is that it wasn't the Canadian judge.
457 posted on 02/13/2002 12:30:46 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Wyatt's Torch
I don't mind the artistic events. I don't think they should be the focus. And I would like them better if they were scored like a sport and not like a beauty pagent.

Ooh, Pops or Pearl Jam. That's tough what with the cross genre and all. The Pops did some really cool stuff when that one guy was the conductor. Pearl Jam always has a good sound, but they don't vary the sound much, if you've got one album you've got them all (they did a great imitation of Crazy Horse working with Neil Young though). I'll have to go with PJ though. When push comes to shove grunge rock is just more fun than light classical.

458 posted on 02/13/2002 12:30:46 PM PST by discostu
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To: bootless
I love to watch ballroom. I bet that system is crooked too. I work professionally in the arts and am used to all this crap. Beyond the scandal surrounding the pairs did you see the Czech couple Berankova and Dlabola? They were 15th in the world and improved so much. Did you see her flexibility? As a dancer I'm sure you noticed.
459 posted on 02/13/2002 12:32:18 PM PST by psycho-sis
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To: discostu
I was being sarcastic. I sure If you read it again, you can actually see the sarcasm dripping from the post.
460 posted on 02/13/2002 12:32:30 PM PST by Osinski
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