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Atheist says he acts in good faith
Honolulu Advertiser ^ | 2/11/02 | Will Hoover

Posted on 02/12/2002 9:11:10 AM PST by LarryLied

Edited on 05/07/2004 6:18:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Mitchell Kahle added another scalp to his belt when restrictions on apparel and accessories depicting Satanism were yanked from Kaimuki High School's dress code last week.

"To me, Satanism is a superstition," Kahle said. "Just like Christianity."

The point, he insisted, was that if one religious symbol is banned from a public school dress code, they all must go.


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1 posted on 02/12/2002 9:11:11 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
"Atheist says he acts in good faith"

In good faith of what exactly?

2 posted on 02/12/2002 9:13:57 AM PST by Destructor
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To: LarryLied
It always amazes me that the people most obsessed about God are the atheists.
3 posted on 02/12/2002 9:15:03 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: My2Cents
Atheism contradicts itself by belief in atheism.
4 posted on 02/12/2002 9:25:02 AM PST by onedoug
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To: My2Cents,LarryLied
I was just reading a thread for "bitter atheists" over at the enemy camp. Truly disgusting, arrogant sarcasm and elitism, even the foulest epithets addressed to God, who they claim does not exist. They gloat on how many scientists do not believe in God and how any sort of belief is not only superstition but absurd stupidity, beneath human intelligence. It sounds perfectly logical to them that the universe came from a speck of hypermatter that somehow exploded in a big bang, accidentally spawning everything. "That is what we know so far", one claims. They look at people of faith as stupid cows, mindless slaves. I'd post the link but don't want to give them the traffic.
5 posted on 02/12/2002 9:35:52 AM PST by Sender
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To: LarryLied
Kahle to teach three religious criticism courses at the university's Academy for Lifelong Learning.

Seperation of Church and state? Are the taxpapers are paying him to teach "his religious beliefs" or did he do these classes for free. What a hypocrite!

6 posted on 02/12/2002 9:36:16 AM PST by notpoliticallycorewrecked
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To: LarryLied
Mitchell Kahle added another scalp to his belt when restrictions on apparel and accessories depicting Satanism were yanked from Kaimuki High School's dress code last week.

"To me, Satanism is a superstition," Kahle said. "Just like Christianity."

The point, he insisted, was that if one religious symbol is banned from a public school dress code, they all must go.

What is a symbol for the "religion" on Satanism? Is Anton Levay's Church of Satan tax exempt? I know that he tried to bring lawsuits against others that tried to make their own "Church Of Satan". As I understood him from an interview I once saw, he did not believe in God but did hold to some concept of "Satan". It was all a commercialization co-opting of a figure from another religion. Even Sammi Davis Jr. says that he only joined for the orgies. It was just another trademarked religion (like Scientology).

It's largely about being a fashion accessory. It's unclear exactly what is banned by this. Are we talking about concert shirts with slogans like "Anti-Christ Superstar", "I Am The God Of F&*#"? Are we talking about tattoos? Are we talking about pentagrams worn around the neck?

Are gang colors banned? What's the difference?

7 posted on 02/12/2002 9:41:27 AM PST by weegee
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To: LarryLied
"I'm a civil rights activist," said Kahle, who describes himself as an atheist/agnostic/humanist who is fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

Fiscally conservative and socially liberal = "I want government to provide for people who are free to act as irresponsible as they want but I don't want to pay for it"

"Women's rights, gay rights, animal rights — any kind of injustice. I have an attraction to the underdog. I volunteer for all kinds of causes. I'm just known for separation of state and church."

Any kind of justice except for those who wish to embrace their faith.

8 posted on 02/12/2002 9:41:41 AM PST by weegee
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To: Sender
Atheists like this Kahle fellow run around, allegedly full of principles, but with no ultimate source for them. I mean rally, what grounds does this guy have that there should be no crosses on public land? His own opinion? That is all atheists have in the end, and therefore they are never consistent.
9 posted on 02/12/2002 9:41:44 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: Sender
That's okay - no point in posting it anyway. It's always the same old lines. I think they hold classes on Thursday nights to practice saying these things over and over. That way, they don't get distracted by serious questions.
10 posted on 02/12/2002 9:44:49 AM PST by MEGoody
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked
Kahle, 39 — whom Honolulu Mayor Jeremy Harris once called "the Grinch who stole Christmas" — has positioned himself as Hawai'i's most relentless and visible watchdog when it comes to keeping the government on the straight and narrow in separation of church and state issues.

Hawai'i's most relentless and visible watchdog...

Yeah...what is he guarding---the biggest govt religion of them all---state atheism hostile to freedom and liberty via taxation and brainwashing---govt. schools that doesn't teach---FORBIDS children/teachers to think--make value judgement!

Zombies-nazis-indoctrination-persecution...the mother/father of modern morals--law...janthrax Borneo...bill-hill clampets!!

Why we need the... Realatarian Party---wake this Khale/America up!

11 posted on 02/12/2002 9:50:05 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: LarryLied
Question -- What difference is there, other than a formal education, between a tribal Witch Doctor and an Ordained Minister?
12 posted on 02/12/2002 9:51:43 AM PST by thinktwice
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To: Dimensio;Charles Henrickson;week 71;Grut;P-Marlowe; xzins;God_Loves_Us;ConsistentLibertarian...
The two(Mitchell Kahle and Holly Huber) arrived in Honolulu in 1992 and established Island InfoTech, a company that designs data bases and Web sites.

Anyone know more about these two? I recall their website being active in opposing rallies for Bush during the Florida recount. Are they active in the Democrat Party in Hawaii?

13 posted on 02/12/2002 10:05:50 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
    Honolulu Star-Bulletin
    March 24, 1997

    Mitchell Kahle is a lifelong atheist.

    It's something that can't be explained, he said. "I have never believed in God or professed to believe in God. I don't know what God is."

    Before coming to Hawaii in 1992, he was only a member of American Atheists. He became spokesman because Hawaii needed one, he said.

    American Atheists has had a membership in Hawaii since 1963, when the organization was founded by Madalyn Murray-O'Hair.

    "It was founded out of the Murray vs. Curlett Supreme Court decision of June 1963," said Kahle, Hawaii state director, American Atheists. "It was the decision that made organized prayer in public schools illegal."

    The court decision was on "organized prayer," he emphasized. Anyone can still pray on their own in school, he said.

    Kahle said atheists are often misunderstood because they at times defend religious freedom.

    He said, "Many of the current violations of church-state separation that are occurring in Hawaii have gone unchallenged."

    It should be termed state-church separation because state is more important, he said.

    All he's doing is pointing out to whatever government body is involved that it's in violation, said Kahle, a full-time activist who also works as a computer consultant. "They need to reform whatever the particular violation is."

    Mayor Jeremy Harris is showing preference to Christianity over other religions with Honolulu City Lights over the Christmas holiday season, said Kahle.

    "In order to remain legal, they need to remain secular ... They have shown a preference first for Christianity over other religions, but then for religion over nonreligion -- and the Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly that that is indeed a violation of church-state separation."

    Kahle also objects to the Army's cross at Kolekole Pass. "The Kolekole cross itself is an endorsement of Christianity (by the Army and the federal government)," he said.


14 posted on 02/12/2002 10:28:40 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: thinktwice
What difference is there, other than a formal education, between a tribal Witch Doctor and an Ordained Minister?

The latter has much less experience curing disease with local vegetation.
15 posted on 02/12/2002 10:36:27 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: thinktwice
Question -- What difference is there, other than a formal education, between a tribal Witch Doctor and an Ordained Minister?

Reason, logic, proper discernment of the charisma, a developed eschatology, hermeneutics, exegesis, 4,000 years of written observation and the lack of a belief in grinning, malevolent spirits affecting human society as they peer out from behind every rock and tree .

Now you tell me, what is the difference between a witch doctor and a psychologist, a classical psychiatrist or a marxist who spouts a belief in an imperative economic eschatology?

16 posted on 02/12/2002 10:38:35 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: weegee
Even Sammi Davis Jr. says that he only joined for the orgies

Joined what, Judaism? Orgies? Oy!

17 posted on 02/12/2002 10:41:05 AM PST by Mr. Bird
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To: thinktwice
Question: What is the difference, besides the fact that one is breathing, between a dead atheist and a live atheist?
18 posted on 02/12/2002 10:44:12 AM PST by Heartlander
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To: LarryLied
This government edupest, would we have the slightest clue as to his identity or eccentricities as yet another member in good standing of the wierdo-American community if not for his constitution-warping sycophants and collaborators in black robes at the federal courthouses?
19 posted on 02/12/2002 10:53:55 AM PST by BlackElk
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To: Sender;onedoug
Actually, if one believes the current cosmological model of the origin of the universe, it's hard to imagine such a thing operating without a creative intelligence behind it. Since when does an explosion actually result in creating things, let alone intelligence and personality?

I love the bumper sticker I've seen a couple of times: "National Atheists Day -- April 1"; then in subtext, "The fool says in his heart there is no God," from Proverbs.

20 posted on 02/12/2002 11:11:38 AM PST by My2Cents
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