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Is Free Republic becoming increasingly hostile towards Social Conservatives?
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Posted on 02/07/2002 8:02:41 AM PST by watsonfellow

In the past few months I have noticed that the posters on Free Republic have become more and more hostile towards social conservatism.

And I do not mean indifference (less pro life threads etc) but an outright hostility at pro life and other social conservative causes.

Am I alone in thinking this?

In particular, notice the responses to the thread concerning the recent request by social conservative groups to the FCC to reign in Fox's racey primetime programs.

I wonder if this is becoming only a haven for hedonists and libertarians, and if so, perhaps it would be better for social conservatives to find their own site.


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To: ThinkDifferent
NO, you've demonstated YOUR ignorance:

“...there are no known violations of the second law of thermodynamics. Ordinarily the second law is stated for isolated [closed] systems, but the second law applies equally well to open systems ... there is somehow associated with the field of far-from equilibrium phenomena the notion that the second law of thermodynamics fails for such systems. It is important to make sure that this error does not perpetuate itself.” [Dr. John Ross, Harvard scientist (evolutionist), Chemical and Engineering News, vol. 58, July 7, 1980, p. 40]

"Increase in entropy means a transition from a more orderly state to a less orderly state. . In any naturally occurring process, the tendency is for all systems to proceed from order to disorder." —*R. B. Lindsay, "Entropy Consumption and Values in Physical Science, " American Scientist, September 1959, p. 382.

"The quality of entropy generated locally cannot be negative irrespective of whether the system is isolated or not." —*Arnold Sommerfeld, Thermodynamics and Statistical Mechanics (1958), p. 155.

"Evolutionists . . [say that] the Earth, in particular, is an open system; and that in an open system strange things may happen to the entropy, and to everything else. . Some [evolutionists) say that there was a great increase in entropy in the Sun, or in outer space, or somewhere; so that a spontaneous decrease in entropy on the Earth [therefore occurred] and is not surprising. The idea seems to be that an increase in entropy in one place can atone, so to speak, for a decrease in another. It is rather as if one were to expect a small pot of water, put onto the fire, to freeze, provided a larger pot put beside it boil . . But, surely an increase in entropy in one place has to do with an (alleged) decrease in another only if there is some connection of cause and effect between them. And, needless to say, such a connection has not been demonstrated." —H. L Armstrong, "Evolutionistic Defense Against Thermodynamics Disproved," . in Creation Research Society Quarterly, March 1980, p. 227.

"Entropy is a property which is defined for and true of each and every part of the universe. There is no evidence whatever than there is a region of the universe where the second law does not apply. Laws of science are universals and the denial of this fact is question-begging." —*J.P. Moreland, Universals, Qualities, and Quality Instances: A Defense of Realism (1985).

381 posted on 02/07/2002 11:07:27 AM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: cajungirl
I always thought FR was hostile to people who weren't social conservatives,,some conservatives are pro choice after all and do the flames start when they are around. I have noted there is more bickering and intolerance and accusing etc lately,,seems like every thread turns into nitpicking and backbiting,,not as easy to chat freely as it used to be. Everyone accusing everyone else of being a dem or something else.

The people who got sucked in by Shrubs' false "conservative" PR now can't admit that their golden boy is almost as far to the left as algore.

382 posted on 02/07/2002 11:08:04 AM PST by Unbeliever
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To: dax zenos
Where will it lead us to have all this freedom to do drugs?

The same place it leads to have the freedom to worship God, and to own property, and to choose your own associations, and to choose your own food and drink, and to make your own decisions provided you don't violate the rights of others in the process.

It will lead to (gasp)... liberty, and personal responsibility.

383 posted on 02/07/2002 11:08:19 AM PST by OWK
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To: Cultural Jihad
Interesting thread, nu? :) If you go through aaaallll of the posts, I think we've covered darn near everything possible. Heh. :)
384 posted on 02/07/2002 11:09:01 AM PST by TheBigB
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To: Roscoe
Ha ha. Just TRY to take away a broadcast license or, as we very well should, try to re-auction those rights every few years. Just try, and you will turn the pinkest Hillary-worshiping TV dweeb into a raging property rights advocate.
385 posted on 02/07/2002 11:09:13 AM PST by eno_
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To: Dan from Michigan
The number one aspect of libertarianism is protecting PRIVATE PROPERTY

There isn't anything in that definition about "PRIVATE PROPERTY", which is a subject that Libertarians are, as a rule, abysmally ignorant of.

Libertarians want a complete reconstruction of our society, with with what they consider a just and equitable distribution of property and labor. For example, the seizure of all public schools and municipal properties for redistribution pursuant to some ill-defined scheme they just can't seem to explain.

386 posted on 02/07/2002 11:09:13 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Not that much up to date on Belgium's politics. Are you sure that they are into full scale redistribution of all property, rather than just large scale welfarism?

Redistribution by state does not have to be total, in order to meet the definition of "socialism".

Welfarism is a form of socialism.

It is not as extreme as communism, but it is nevertheless socialism.

387 posted on 02/07/2002 11:10:44 AM PST by OWK
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To: Dan from Michigan
My bigger complaint is the freedom grabs, asset forfeiture, etc

I believe it was Ronald Reagan who initiated asset forfeiture in his 1986 Anti-Drug Abuse Act.

I'm a great admirer of Ronald Reagan, but his Zero Tolerance policy on drugs greatly accelerated some of the worst aspects of the WOD.

388 posted on 02/07/2002 11:11:23 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: OWK
How exactly are libertarians "infecting" conservatives?

I don't know about Sparky, but I like to sweet talk 'em, buy them a couple of drinks, then give them a big smoochie on the lips. A few days later they're sneezing and have runny noses, looking at naked statues and saying "You know, it really is kinda like art".

389 posted on 02/07/2002 11:11:35 AM PST by Wm Bach
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To: OWK
Evolution is sending millions of people to hell...
Are they evolving into devils?

Yes -- and this time we do have the Missing Link!


390 posted on 02/07/2002 11:11:42 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Dan from Michigan
The number one aspect of libertarianism is protecting PRIVATE PROPERTY against force by government.

Yep, can't let the narcs seize your stash! </sarcasm>

391 posted on 02/07/2002 11:13:08 AM PST by Willie Green
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To: Madame Dufarge
Jeopardy assesments against accused drug offenders have been used since at least the early to mid 70's.
392 posted on 02/07/2002 11:13:49 AM PST by p. henry
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To: OWK
No, evolutionists evolve into "great" leaders of the world, like Hitler, Stalin and Marx. All were greatly influenced by Darwinism. And Hitler put Darwinism into practice. Hitler and Darwin's cousin, in fact, agreed on eugenics ideas and he and Darwin were both convinced that certain races were inferior.

Part of me, though, hopes you evolve a brain someday rather than making mindless, ignorant statements...

393 posted on 02/07/2002 11:14:04 AM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: watsonfellow
My Dear misguided friend:

As you stated, you've only been around FR for a few months..(9.15.01 to be exact). Your profile states you are studied in the Classics and adhere to the tradiional R.C. religion. That's nice. But, I'm sure you understand, or should be cognizant to the fact, that the R.C. "Church", in which I once sought solace, has become a PC and socialist money making machine.

If your looking for "Social Justice" on FReeRepublic in the guise religion, you'll not find it here.

This forum is about our Constitution.

Best FReegards.

394 posted on 02/07/2002 11:14:07 AM PST by Mustang
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To: watsonfellow
I cannot believe this silly thread has survived for more than 380 posts!

YOU sir obviously don't have the first CLUE as to just what a "Conservative" is so let me give you a clue!

Conservatives DO NOT run to the government seeking to impose their views on everyone else!

395 posted on 02/07/2002 11:14:31 AM PST by Bigun
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To: eno_
Just TRY to take away a broadcast license or, as we very well should, try to re-auction those rights every few years.

And who should conduct the auction? The licensee, who has conceded that it has no property rights in the airwaves? The federal government, who has conceded that it has no property rights in the airwaves? The owners of the thousands or millions properties through which the broadcasts will be transmitted?

396 posted on 02/07/2002 11:15:08 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Ol' Sparky
But, surely an increase in entropy in one place has to do with an (alleged) decrease in another only if there is some connection of cause and effect between them. And, needless to say, such a connection has not been demonstrated.

This imbecile actually believes that there is no demonstrated cause-and-effect relationship between the shining of the sun and the continued existence of life on earth?

397 posted on 02/07/2002 11:15:49 AM PST by steve-b
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To: B Knotts
Please. Legalization of marijuana was a complete failure in this nation in the 1970s and politicians had no problem gathering public support for recriminalization. Ronald Reagan used opposition to drugs as one of his major issues in 1986.
398 posted on 02/07/2002 11:16:27 AM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: sinkspur
The social conservatives want to use the power of nanny government to do the job THEY should be doing, which is to monitor and turn off objectionable television.

........ and start a boycott of the sponsors of said programs and write e-mails to the comment dept. of the offending network(s), etc.

399 posted on 02/07/2002 11:16:31 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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