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Is Free Republic becoming increasingly hostile towards Social Conservatives?
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Posted on 02/07/2002 8:02:41 AM PST by watsonfellow

In the past few months I have noticed that the posters on Free Republic have become more and more hostile towards social conservatism.

And I do not mean indifference (less pro life threads etc) but an outright hostility at pro life and other social conservative causes.

Am I alone in thinking this?

In particular, notice the responses to the thread concerning the recent request by social conservative groups to the FCC to reign in Fox's racey primetime programs.

I wonder if this is becoming only a haven for hedonists and libertarians, and if so, perhaps it would be better for social conservatives to find their own site.


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To: OWK
socialism \So"cial*ism\, n. [Cf. F. socialisme.] A theory or system of social reform which contemplates a complete reconstruction of society, with a more just and equitable distribution of property and labor.

That definition also fits Libertarianism.

361 posted on 02/07/2002 10:56:16 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Ol' Sparky
You forgot to include this in your delusions.

Scientists are manipulating science to push an agenda, that includes global warming and evolution. Evolution is an absurd idea that has it's roots in left-wing ideology and influenced Hitler, Stalin and Marx. What place does that topic even have at conservative web site? It's got nothing to do with my own personal version of conservatism whatsoever.

362 posted on 02/07/2002 10:56:32 AM PST by AUgrad
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To: meadsjn
Any prohibition or mandate which eventually results in a police raid or arrest, is "at the point of a gun".

And the last time that a regulation by the FCC resulted in a police raid or arrest 'at the point of a gun' was when, exactly? That was the original point of this thread you know, however much the poster you responded to may have expanded it.

363 posted on 02/07/2002 10:57:10 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: dead
No, anyone that wants to legalize drugs is definite high and ignorant of history. Marijuana legalization was tried in this nation and utter failure in the 1970s. The excesses of the WOD were a result of states like California legalizing drugs in the 1970s. Drug legalization resulted in higher drug use for all drugs. The Netherlands has become a nightmare since legalization of marijuana and relaxation of drug laws. The Netherlands is now a haven for drug dealers>

Ronald Reagan had it right:

America has accomplished so much in these last few years, whether it's been re-building our economy or serving the cause of freedom in the world. What we've been able to achieve has been done with your help-with us working together as a nation united. No we need your support again Drugs are menacing our society. They're threatening our values and undercutting our institutions. They're killing our children.

From the beginning of our administration, we've taken strong steps to do something about this horror. Tonight I can report to you that we've made much progress. Thirty-seven Federal agencies are working together in a vigorous national effort, and by next year our spending for drug law enforcement will have more than tripled from its 1981 levels. We have increased seizures of illegal drugs. Shortages of marijuana are now being reported. Last year alone over 10,000 drug criminals were convicted and nearlv $250 million of their assets were seized by the DEA, the Drug Enforcement Administration.

And in the most important area, individual use, we see progress. In 4 years the number of high school seniors using marijuana on a daily basis has dropped from 1 in 14 to 1 in 20. The U.S. military has cut the use of illegal drugs among its personnel by 67 percent since 1980. These are a measure of our commitment and emerging signs that we can defeat this enemy. But we still have much to do.

Despite our best efforts, illegal cocaine is coming into our country at alarming levels and 4 to 5 million people regularly use it. Five hundred thousand Americans are hooked on heroin. One in twelve persons smokes marijuana regularly. Regular drug use is even higher among the age group 18 to 25 most likely just entering the workforce. Today there's a new epidemic: smokable cocaine, otherwise known as crack. It is an explosively destructive and often lethal substance which is crushing its users. It is an uncontrolled fire.

And drug abuse is not a so-called victimless crime. Everyone's safety is at stake when drugs and excessive alcohol are used by people on the highways or by those transporting our citizens or operating industrial equipment. Drug abuse costs you and your fellow Americans at least $60 billion a year.

364 posted on 02/07/2002 10:58:11 AM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: Ol' Sparky
Again, maybe, maybe not. I would wager to say that there are more pro-choice on abortion Republicans than pro-drug lagalization Republicans. Yet the GOP is still the pro-life party, nu? :) That's because the pro-life folks push back, same as we who oppose drug legalization do. Again, internal debaes are good and we mustn't shy away from them (not saying that you are, obviously ;)
365 posted on 02/07/2002 10:58:20 AM PST by TheBigB
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To: meadsjn
You are either not paying attention, or you're being deliberately dishonest. Any prohibition or mandate which eventually results in a police raid or arrest, is "at the point of a gun". Whether you directly threaten the subject of your scorn, or simply call a government thug to apply the desired force or threat, makes little difference to the threatened party (except you might be more likely to receive some justified retribution on your own).

Oh, I see. I thought you were singling out social conservatives. I now understand that your angst is directed at nearly every interest group under the sun, since at some point anyone with control of the force of law will attempt to use such force.

BTW if this is your concern I'm sure you'd agree with me that "social conservatives" in America have proven no more dangerous in this regard (probably less so) than most.

366 posted on 02/07/2002 10:58:37 AM PST by skeeter
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To: watsonfellow
Disruptors.
367 posted on 02/07/2002 10:59:13 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Roscoe
That definition also fits Libertarianism.

ROFL. Bwhahhahhahaah. Yeah right.

The number one aspect of libertarianism is protecting PRIVATE PROPERTY against force by government.

368 posted on 02/07/2002 10:59:31 AM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: OWK
Not to rain on your parade or anything.... but can you logically prove the existence of God?

As easily as you can prove that Maryland exists.

369 posted on 02/07/2002 11:00:26 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: OWK
"... Sadly, Free Republic, and likely the conservative movement as whole, is becoming infected with the libertarian cancer.

(OWK): BWAAAAAA HAHAHAHAAhahahahahahaah!!!

Muahahahahah-HAH!!!


370 posted on 02/07/2002 11:01:00 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: exmarine
Anyone with any training in logic knows that objective moral standards (universal) cannot exist without God.

Without God, they are necessarily manmade and therefore subjective not objective. Thus, they can posit an explanation, but I will rip it apart for its lack of logical coherence. Would you like to try?,

While re-reading your statement, I realized that I misquoted you. Let me rephrase my question: According to God's "objective moral standard", is rape always wrong?

371 posted on 02/07/2002 11:01:19 AM PST by The Green Goblin
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To: Ol' Sparky
Libertarians are infecting the conservative movement and that will effect the Republican party.

How exactly are libertarians "infecting" conservatives?

Are they being tied down with their eyes taped open, and forced to read treatises from Chicago Economists?

Surely you don't think conservatives are incapable of forming their own ideas, and rejecting those which are not rational?

Have you made it your personal crusade to save conservatives from themselves?

372 posted on 02/07/2002 11:02:06 AM PST by OWK
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To: Cultural Jihad
Hi CJ :)
373 posted on 02/07/2002 11:02:11 AM PST by TheBigB
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To: steve-b
How can the FCC become a legitimate party to such a contract? A "contract" imposed by a third party who does not have any relevant property right is nothing but a protection racket.

Broadcast licensees apply for their privileges and protections. They acquire no proprietary interest in the public airwaves, having explicitly waived such rights.

374 posted on 02/07/2002 11:02:58 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Under the Radar
You have a right to turn off your radio or change the station.
376 posted on 02/07/2002 11:06:00 AM PST by Wm Bach
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To: Reagan Man
I am a traditionalist and a mainstream conservative, who supports the Constitution as the basis for our freedom and liberty and the American legal and judicial system.
I wasn't making an absolutist or theoretical question. I was just lumping the CSA in with the all the other travesties of modern commerce clause legal gimmicry. There is a looong history when we did not abuse the Constitution this way, and most conservatives would prefer to move our government back is scale and scope to this earlier period. moreover, the Federalist Papers do explain what the Founders meant, and so they have a lot to say about how the Repulic is run, unless you want the Constitution to be a living document, with meanings that change over time. The Constitution isn't just the "basis," it is the benchmark and standard and what should be - was meant to be - a hard limit on federal government. A LOT of the "American legal and judicial system" has overgrown the bounds of the Constitution, and should be lopped off. Let's start with everything that has a bogus foundation in the commerce clause.
377 posted on 02/07/2002 11:06:19 AM PST by eno_
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To: OWK
The meaning of socialism is not limited to state ownership of the means of production, but extends to include states which engage in collectivist redistribution.

Not that much up to date on Belgium's politics. Are you sure that they are into full scale redistribution of all property, rather than just large scale welfarism?

378 posted on 02/07/2002 11:06:50 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: TheBigB
Hello, BiggieB :)
380 posted on 02/07/2002 11:07:25 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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