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First MILITARY Personnel Killed by Hostile Fire in Afghanistan
FOX News Channel | January 4, 2002

Posted on 01/04/2002 9:07:52 AM PST by MeekOneGOP

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To: MeeknMing
Gen. Franks on FOX now. Admitting that a SF soldier killed in combat. Where are all the conspiracy buffs who have been reporting the huge numbers of soldiers killed that were suppressed by the Pentagon? Where are they all?
61 posted on 01/04/2002 9:44:40 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Redcloak
We are at war. We shouldn't drop everything and turn all of our attention to a single death like this.

But it should strike us as odd that we can be "at war" since October and not have lost a single military person to the enemy. It seems that we have overwhelming force we can bring to bear on anyone without paying for it in terms of lost men. When war is so costless to us, our inhibition for it disappears.

It is well that war is so terrible: we would grow too fond of it!

- Robert E. Lee
62 posted on 01/04/2002 9:44:50 AM PST by verboten
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
"Why separate? It was by enemy fire and Mike was CIA working WITH our military. Both serve our Country."

The CIA tried to recruit me while I was in the military, but there is still a difference between the military and the CIA. And I am happy to keep it that way.

63 posted on 01/04/2002 9:45:21 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
You've got FReepmail.
64 posted on 01/04/2002 9:46:12 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: LibWhacker
Exactly. Nuke them. Enough is enough.

Poor Tommy Daschle, his big speech drowned out by the latest war news. Despicable liar.

65 posted on 01/04/2002 9:47:28 AM PST by mwl1
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To: homeschool mama
Noh I dohn't.
66 posted on 01/04/2002 9:48:08 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: MeeknMing

Seventeen Us Navy Seals Killed Near Tora Bora

TORA BORA (Institute of Islamic Research and Studies): The Mujahideen ambushed and wiped out a unit of US Navy Seal Special Forces troops. The troops were attempting to reach a position where they believed Mujahideen to be since firing had been observed from that direction. AS the troops approached closer, the Mujahideen outflanked them and ambushed them from their sides, blocking off their escape routes. They attempted to run but were cut down to the last man by Mujahideen fire. Their identification as Navy Seals was obtained from the identity cards found on their bodies.

Two Russian Soldiers Killed Near Vedeno

A Russian unit launched an ambush on Commander Radwan's unit in the district of Vedeno. However their attack backfired on them as the soldiers of Allah confronted them and fought back with immense courage. They were able to leave the scene of the ambush; having killed two Russians and injuring one other. One of the mujahids was injured during the course of the attack - we ask Allah to reward him and grant him ash-shifa.

Ambush in Jalalabad Injures US Soldiers

KABUL(Radio Report): Unidentified assailants reportedly fired upon a vehicle carrying US special forces in Jalalabad, apparently injuring one US soldier who sustained a wound to his leg. A spokesman from the US Central Command confirmed this report and added that no US soldiers had been killed. As a consequence of this attack, great tension seems to be developing between the ranks of the US Military for they know they may be attacked at any time. It is believed that small Mujahideen attack groups are operating around certain areas, ready to attack and destroy these forces of disbelief.

Ambush in Kakhi Kills Four Russian Soldiers

The Mujahideen were able to successfully counterattack an ambush planned by the head of the Russian police Baros Martan in the village of Kakhi in the state of Urus Martan. They were able to destroy his military jeep, killing him and all three who were with him at the time - and All Praise is due to Allah.

67 posted on 01/04/2002 9:49:22 AM PST by Israel
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To: MeeknMing
I noticed the position of Tora Bora in relation to the area where our soldier was killed. I can't HELP but remember the "negotiation" for Taliban surrender, especially when it seems that in Afghanistan, "surrender" means "escape."

Praying even HARDER for the safety of our boys.

68 posted on 01/04/2002 9:50:05 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: Redcloak
Those who put all of life on hold for a single man cannot win a war, or so it looks to their enemies. This one death cannot consume our national attention. We will lose this war if we cannot cope with combat deaths.

Are you Taliban?? Because you just don't get it!! And you sound like coward. (Your words are cowardly) Look up "coward" in the dictionary.

BTW,.. we will win against the Al Queda and Taliban. I have faith in our troops and President. You might do well to do the same!

I can assure you that the troops NOT ON THE FRONT LINES are mourning the loss of a fellow Soldier. And you know what?? The troops on the front lines have the strength and ability to set his death aside and continue to do thier jobs. They will mourn him in due time, when their job is done. When they aren't busy getting the enemy.. they will mourn him.

See the difference is they are on the front lines we are not. We HONOR our soldiers and agenst lives here in the USA. It doesn't make us weaker...as you seem to think, but stronger...

Maybe someday you will "get it". But after reading so many frantic paranoid posts on this thread by you..I won't hold my breath!

69 posted on 01/04/2002 9:50:11 AM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Dog
No more ....giving the Taliban or Al-Queada any more time to surrender.....

Yep, it just gives them more time to attack us. I'm at least grateful that the media was wrong when they hyped the dangers and compared them to the thousands of lost Russian soldiers. Look for this and Dasc-hole's attack on Bush to lead every newscast this evening.

70 posted on 01/04/2002 9:50:21 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: MeeknMing
My prayers and sympathies to all these men and their families. My prayers also to all men and women serving our country and their families. Some will sacrifice all but all will sacrifice much. Support them, honor them and pray for them. They are defending us and everything our country provides and stands for.
71 posted on 01/04/2002 9:50:26 AM PST by TigersEye
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To: MeeknMing
Army special forces member killed, no other injuries - Tommy Franks.
72 posted on 01/04/2002 9:51:05 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: mwl1
I am just now starting the section on the state of battle and warfare in the period of 600 to 750 AD, when Islam was in full ascension (like now), very insightful in these current times. The book, pimped here before, Carnage and Culture: Landmark Battles in the Rise of Western Power by Victor Davis Hanson is required reading. Now go get busy.

If you are not into a hard read, the Islamists are the enemy for the simple reason they fight their war 100% on the conviction they will be granted a better life after death if they do all they can to eliminate all other forms of religeous belief. If people get in the way and you can kill them, Inshalla.

73 posted on 01/04/2002 9:52:30 AM PST by kinghorse
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To: Redcloak
I personally don't give a DA** what THEY think.

"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not your enemy, for every victory gained you will also uffer a defeat." -Sun Tzu

Knowing what the enemy thinks and feels is essential to winning a war. "I don't give a damn" bravado does not. I don't mean to sound like I'm picking on you, but you need to understand that our behavior helps to determine how the enemy will act. National mourning over a single soldier makes us look like a bunch of pantywaists. While we shouldn't seek death for our soldiers, deaths happen in war. Those who put all of life on hold for a single man cannot win a war, or so it looks to their enemies. This one death cannot consume our national attention. We will lose this war if we cannot cope with combat deaths.


I really don't want to argue this on this thread. I'll say I DO understand the point you're making. Do you understand WE value life more that the Terrorists do. I think by definition, TERRORISTS don't, period.

I would leave the MILITARY with the task of finishing the job, well done so far, thank you Mr. President, Mr. Rumsfeld,
et al. . .

I think the issue you are addressing is a built-in media bias which is yet ANOTHER fight, separate from the War on
Terrorism. . .

74 posted on 01/04/2002 9:53:48 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
Don't mean to be crass, but this is after all a war. During Vietman, Korea, WW2 and WW1, casualties occurred by the tens to hundreds each day. Something is wrong in our thinkinig if we regard a single death in a war as huge news.
75 posted on 01/04/2002 9:53:51 AM PST by joonbug
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To: PJeffQ
I did.. it wasnt it got deleted solely based on the title apparently... I guess someone typing in secondhand comments they see on a Fox News report means that posting an AP article from the wire with more information gets deleted...

Especially if it's a pal of the moderator or *someone special...*

76 posted on 01/04/2002 9:55:11 AM PST by archy
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To: mwl1
Poor Tommy Daschle, his big speech drowned out by the latest war news.

Bwaaaaa waaaaaaa snif snif (blows nose)

Poor, poor Tommy...poor Tommy

Me so sorry

hehehehe

77 posted on 01/04/2002 9:55:59 AM PST by mc5cents
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To: Redcloak
"National mourning over a single soldier makes us look like a bunch of pantywaists."

TOUGH

While I heartily agree with - and live by the first rule of war: "know thine enemy"

WE WILL NOT CHANGE OUR BEHAVIOUR AS A NATION, AS A PEOPLE, AS A CULTURE TO FIT THE "SENSIBILITIES" OF SOME GOOFBALL WHO WANTS TO KILL US. THAT IS A FORM OF SURRENDER.

THAT IS NOT "KNOWING YOUR ENEMY."

78 posted on 01/04/2002 9:56:38 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: Redcloak
I don't mean to sound insensitive, but... We are at war. We shouldn't drop everything and turn all of our attention to a single death like this. Such behavior emboldens our enemy. They see us get exercised over a single casualty and think "Look at the Americans. See how they weep and wail over a single man? They have no stomach for a fight. We can strike them and they will be afraid to strike back." A single trooper's death, while the end of the world to his family, should be a non-news event to the rest of us.

I agree with you. This obsession with someone getting injured or one death in a war is not a sign of strength on our part. Indeed, I've seen foreign press question our resolve, and say we were "lucky" this time to have ready-made foreign soldiers do our fighting. Indeed, Osama and his cohorts often talked about American's obsession with a few deaths, for example Somalia, and equated it with weakness and an implicit invitation to be attacked.

79 posted on 01/04/2002 9:57:03 AM PST by Shermy
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Huh? I don't understand what that's all about. Osama is a murderer and a coward. That's a given. . .
80 posted on 01/04/2002 9:57:56 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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