PAGE SIX/Lock & loaded (Keyes MSNBC Show?)

New York Post ^ | 1/04/02 | RICHARD JOHNSON with PAULA FROELICH and CHRIS WILSON

[kattracks]

THE folks at Msnbc are talking to former Republican presidential candidate and former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Alan Keyes about hosting a 10 p.m. show up against Fox News' new hire, Greta Van Susteren. Meanwhile, Van Susteren, a lawyer before her O.J. Simpson commentary turned her into a CNN star, reportedly has penned an eight-page memo detailing CNN's demerits. She plans to keep the document secret as long as CNN doesn't try to paint her as an ungrateful traitor.

[Rowdee]

Regarding the year 88 and Kristol running Keyes campaign....Keyes wasn't involved with campaigning before that was he? This was his first campaign? It was my understanding that this is the case....and that the GOP had asked him to step forward as a candidate because the original guy had backed out or quit....I would suspect that the GOP would have offered up the services of Kristol or somebody with experience to help get him off the ground.

That's what I was getting at....certainly sounds more plausible than some secret conspiracy between Kristol and Keyes to do in the Republican President!

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

You did, in fact, post the first nasty post.

I responded to an ignoramus, who confused Alan Keyes with Harry Browne. If he had said that George Bush had been the Libertarian Party candidate, I'll bet you'd still be pounding on him.

.....and the first LIE. Alan Keyes has NOT been "nominated so frequently as the GOP candidate in various elections that that is one of the criticisms against him.

As it happens this is not even a matter of dispute, if you'd dip into your voluminous anti-Keyes files you will find other Keyes-bashers saying that Keyes kept running for office, because he paid himself out of his campaign budget, and it was the way he supported himself. I'm sure that you can reach back and find this stuff. In any case, even if it happenned not to be true, it would at worst be an overstatement, not a lie.

I notice that you did not even to deny your thuggish summons to your fellow Ring-wraiths to come to trash this thread. Of course, since I had documented it, even you might have some trouble denying it.

The best part of this is that, according to WND, MSNBC appears to be seriously considering Keyes for the position. Everyone knows that he is an excellent speaker, and as a black conservative, a little quirky, the way they like it in TV. But there are those who say that he is not exciting enough, that he arouses no passion. I guess that you and your fellows have made it quite obvious to the MSNBC types lurking here, that a Keyes show will indeed bring the kind of excitement they would like. Thank you very much, you've been a great help, sucker.

[exodus]

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President Clinton's supporters were not patriotic,
they were actively supporting his treasonous activities.
When they cooperated with Clinton's lawbreaking,
they were acting as enemies of our country.
Do you agree with the last two statements?
# 578 by exodus
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To: exodus
Just spit it out ; say that those
who agree with President Bush
are enemies and traitors to this nation.
You'd be wrong,
but that IS exactly where your tautology is leading.

I see where your analogy is leading,
and THAT is just to even MORE slander , libel, and heaps of calumny.
My example worked. Your's is a cesspool of quicksand.
Don't infer, imply, nor try to lead me down the " primrose path " ;
it won't work. : - )

Oh, and now, do NOT feign innocence.
Anyone with 1/2 a brain and two eyes can see right through that post.
# 645 by nopardons
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"Anyone with 1/2 a brain and two eyes can see right through that post."
So, you understood what I said? >>grin<<

I'm not being subtle, nopardons.
I'm hitting you with a virtual stick,
and you are refusing to discuss the similarities.

I believe that a war without Congressional Declaration of War is un-Constitutional.
I know that a war declared by the President is un-Constitutional.

I believe the "War on Drugs" to be an un-Constitutional infringement of our freedom.
I believe secret tribunals to be wrong.
I believe that the Patriot Act, if allowed to stand, will be the end of our freedom.

Prestdent Bush doesn't support my views.
I believe, however, that he would support my right to have those views.
With you, I seem to have declared myself the enemy of all that's good.

I'm trying to get you to see the contradiction. .

[Howlin]

certainly sounds more plausible than some secret conspiracy between Kristol and Keyes to do in the Republican President!

Who in the WORLD said that? (See, I'm asking REAL civil, like you do.)

Not one person said that.

[Sunsong]

It's late here :). I'm going to turn in.

I hope that my pushing the abuse bottom doesn't get the thread pulled. I do think that there must be boundaries that we don't cross in public discussion -- and those boundaries were trampled in post #581.

I see that eternal vigilance is claiming to be concerned about what is being said here -- yet when I asked him to discuss the offensive nature of Keyes and Keyes supporters -- their claims to be the most moral, intelligent, patriotic people etc -- he didn't reply.

I would suggest that eternal vigilance consider discussing *how* Keyes and his supporters come across if he is serious about wanting to resolve this.

Anyway :) good night. See you again, I'm sure

[unsycophant]

Ah, but they don't think that they are 'endangering the country'. In fact, they know that it isn't possible, because most of them are smart enough to realize that their candidates will never win. NEVER. So, going with an alternative candidate is merely being self-indulgent. Poof! It becomes 'everybody else's *problem*', and it's a fantastic way of not being forced to make hard decisions. Plus it's easier to stand on the sidelines criticizing the winning 'loser' rather than standing on the field with your butt on the line trying to explain why your winner ISN'T a loser.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Heel, Sulla. You might have sole, but your metaphors smell.

I have to say, you two are the most fastidious gang rapists I have ever run across.

[A Citizen Reporter]

"I would suspect that the GOP would have offered up the services of Kristol or somebody with experience to help get him off the ground."

That's right, Rowdee, you could suspect that. On the other hand, when you also know that they were college roomates, you might think they were closely tied. On this thread, people have been trying to put a lot of distance between Keyes and Kristol

[Howlin]

If he had said that George Bush had been the Libertarian Party candidate, I'll bet you'd still be pounding on him.

I defy you to find ONE POST I have made on this forum in almost four years where I have EVER called anybody an idiot.

As it happens this is not even a matter of dispute, if you'd dip into your voluminous anti-Keyes files you will find other Keyes-bashers saying that Keyes kept running for office, because he paid himself out of his campaign budget, and it was the way he supported himself.

What does the fact that Keyes kept running so he'd have a salary have to do with you saying he'd "been nominated so frequently as the GOP candidate in various elections that that is one of the criticisms against him", which, of course, turned out to be a total fabrication on your part?

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

Not one person said that.

I confess it was me, but not exactly like that. I said I have toyed with the thought that the former roommates could pull a great scam by peeling both extremes of the party and thereby diluting the Republicans. It is far-fetched but stranger things have happened. It is just an interesting coincidence that they have a history together and are both instrumental in polarizing Republicans from opposite angles.

[Sunsong]

You are the only person who has told Lucius to cool it. Apparently, the Keyes supporters approve of his level of venom.

G'nite and thanks for jumping in :)

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

I defy you to find ONE POST I have made on this forum in almost four years where I have EVER called anybody an idiot.

Aha, another hyperfastidious gang rapist.

[Howlin]

No response to that either, I see.

[Howlin]

That is NOT what she said; read it again.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

What does the fact that Keyes kept running so he'd have a salary have to do with you saying he'd "been nominated so frequently as the GOP candidate in various elections that that is one of the criticisms against him", which, of course, turned out to be a total fabrication on your part?

Your denial that these criticisms are virtually identical does not make them dissimilar. Sucker!

[EternalVigilance]

I never have or would make those sort of claims, so your trying to draw me into your silly game is a waste of my time.

Good night.

[EternalVigilance]

I was never privy to why the 700+ post thread was pulled...but it certainly wouldn't be because of my posts.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

No response to that either, I see.

Your supercilious denial that you have used the rather mild epithet 'idiot', does not detract from your status as one of the grand gang rapists on FR. Did you learn that in prison? If so, were you the raper, or the rapee?

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

Okay......... I see it wasn't the same thing. Frankly, I barely scan her posts because her choice of expression and structure is like nails on a chalkboard for me.

I have no idea where she got the "do in the Republican president". I suppose the later it gets, the smoother and faster they go down, ya think??????

[Rowdee]

"BOSTON -- Alan Keyes expressed his support for George W. Bush's choice "...

Sure sounds like Keyes is supporting Bush--it was Bush, wasn't it, who was doing the choosing?