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Help me out. Is the U.S. one country or 50 countries?
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Posted on 12/31/2001 5:05:47 AM PST by al_possum39

Under the AOC the states were considered to be countries and I don’t believe that the Constitution changed their status to provinces. So...is the U.S. one country or 50 countries?


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1 posted on 12/31/2001 5:05:47 AM PST by al_possum39
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50 States but we are trying to keep California and Oregon from defecting and Florida from breaking off and drifting south.
2 posted on 12/31/2001 5:07:28 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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Up until the Civil War the united States of America was spelled with a small "u"
3 posted on 12/31/2001 5:09:29 AM PST by BADJOE
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Although it was before my time (and probably yours), you possibly may have read or heard, as I have, that this question was addressed about 140 years ago. I think generally it is referred to and written about, in the United States at least, as the Civil War.

Another clue might be that short statement referred to as the Pledge of Allegiance - cfr in relevant part..."one Nation, under God, indivisible..." There are more than a few court cases, I am advised, that address this issue, both directly and indirectly.

A more serious question is" What the hell is the AOC? Later.

4 posted on 12/31/2001 5:13:33 AM PST by magoo_70115
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To: BADJOE
Are you saying that the Civil War changed their status?
5 posted on 12/31/2001 5:14:31 AM PST by al_possum39
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To: magoo_70115
I assume he means Articles of Confederation.
6 posted on 12/31/2001 5:16:10 AM PST by mystery-ak
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I believe that the one nation under God is a twentieth centry idea. The AOC is the Articles of Confereration.
7 posted on 12/31/2001 5:17:06 AM PST by al_possum39
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To: magoo_70115
I think he/she means Articles Of Confederation. The document under which the States united, more or less, mostly less, after the revolution and preceeded the Constitution.

I think the one country question is pretty well answered by the power to negotiate treaties being given to the President, with the advice and consent of the Senate.

8 posted on 12/31/2001 5:18:21 AM PST by SubMareener
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
As I understand it there are 3 distinct meannings to the words "United States of America"

1) The United states of America, the Union of the fifty states. there is ONE of these.

2) The United States of America, there are 50 of these.

3) what ever is in #1, but not in #2. This would be the Territories, and the 10 mile square area known as "The District of Colombia."

9 posted on 12/31/2001 5:18:48 AM PST by SharpEye
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"50 States but we are trying to keep California and Oregon from defecting..."

Why would we want to do that??? Let 'em go -- That's what I say! And while you're at it, California and Oregon -- please take Maryland (and maybe a few other states) with you...

Buh-byye!

10 posted on 12/31/2001 5:19:58 AM PST by NH Liberty
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To: al_possum39
Confereration = Confederation
11 posted on 12/31/2001 5:20:56 AM PST by al_possum39
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It is a republic composed of a federation of 50 state governments that are equal members of a federal government.

The powers of the federal government are supposedly limited to those enumerated by the Constitution. Those powers not specifically granted to the federal government supposedly belong to the states or to the people, but we all know the federal government considers itself to be supreme in all matters, great or small.

12 posted on 12/31/2001 5:23:29 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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A state is normally an independent country. But we are the United States. So we call ourselves a 'nation' to avoid the confusion, while France, Germany, etc. are 'states' But we like to call them 'nation states' since our situation confuses people so much.

However, if the Federal Government breaks the written agreement known as the Constitution, then the contract is null and void, and the states are not bound by any document to remain part of the whole. We are actually an anarchy at the moment, held together by force of arms. Not that I want to join a militia or anything. But truth is truth.

The right to bear arms, uninfringeable, has been infringed upon countless times. Even bee bee guns might get regulated.

Property rights have been subjegated to the rights of bugs, lynx hairs, and other beaurocratic nonsense.

Every other right has been trampled on.

Thus, the one document that gives the Federal Government power to trample each state's sovereignty has been violated.

I guess this will put me on a 'domestic terrorist' list. But I must warn the authorities, I am armed with 5 guard cats. =]

13 posted on 12/31/2001 5:23:34 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: al_possum39
We have not been under the AOC since 1789 (give or take a year).
14 posted on 12/31/2001 5:24:30 AM PST by Cyber Liberty
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To: SubMareener
Good point. So if a State cannot deal with other countries directly, it can't be considered to be a country.
15 posted on 12/31/2001 5:26:10 AM PST by al_possum39
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For the purposes of relations with other countries, the US is one country with one common citizenship and one Army and Navy (US Constitution, Article I, Section 9). Article I, Section 10 specifically forbids the several states from entering into treaties or waging war independent of the United States.

The founders envisioned the several states regulating themselves within the constraints of the Constitution, (no ex post facto laws, no bills of attainer, ect.) This is the part of Federalism that has been lost in the last seventy years.

16 posted on 12/31/2001 5:26:32 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: al_possum39
Here's a Link to the Articles of Confederation

Click here

17 posted on 12/31/2001 5:27:17 AM PST by ASA Vet
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To: NH Liberty
I am *so* with you on that! After spending a year in MD, it could go far, far away!

TM

18 posted on 12/31/2001 5:29:37 AM PST by twinzmommy
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To: ASA Vet
I have a copy of the AOC. Thanks for the link anyway.
19 posted on 12/31/2001 5:30:11 AM PST by al_possum39
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Is the USA one nation, or 50 countries?

One cannot exisit without the other. I believe the founding fathers intended the federal government to play a minor roll in the lives of Americans, and would be shocked at the $1.2 Trillion budget we currently have....

Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.

20 posted on 12/31/2001 5:34:46 AM PST by Lunatic Fringe
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