The Israel Problem: Why We Should End The Welfare

self | 12/30/01 | Rick Fisk

[Nix 2]

I am interested in your recitation of the Isreali Constitution.

The Israeli Constitution , as you well know, or would not have asked, is still in progress. It is more or less complete, but since Israel has no idea to this day what its actual borders are or will be, it can't be completed since it deals with the right to own property and other such details. I could paste the entire document here, but you don't really care, do you? All you want to be able to say is that Israel has no FORMAL Constitution. That is only true so far as *formal* and its interpretation, like ours, is done by the Supreme Court.

[Buckeroo]

Isreal has no Constitution. Thank you.

[montag813]

The "right-wing" (as the U.S. media calls them) in Israel opposes continued American aid. Bibi is among the forefront in this regard.

[xzins]

Probably 'cause they ain't surrounded by 400 million angry Arabs. You might recall that when Briton was threatened (WWII) that Roosevelt sent them everything but Eleanor.

[Ridin' Shotgun]

Oh? I'm not so sure that Britain isn't being invaded by its own contingent of angry Arabs. Better send them some free fighting machines too.

[Ridin' Shotgun]

I could paste the entire document here, but you don't really care, do you?

Sure we do, Nix. Send it on over. We're all waiting.

[xzins]

Ridin, you're just arguin' now. You know the Brits aren't in danger of being swept into the sea in the way that Israel is.

Just look at the map, my friend. Historically, Israel is at the crossroads of numerous of the world's greatest empires. They all wanted that piece of real estate. Why? Strategic location.

And it is for us, too. And a friend occupies it.

[dell Arpa]

Isreal has no Constitution. Thank you.

Neither does Great Britain. What's your point?

[Ridin' Shotgun]

No, I'm not just arguing. I can't see the 'historical' significance of the 'crossroads' having anything pertinent to do with today's issues. I'm wondering how angry you'd be TODAY if your family's generations old home was bulldozed to make room for new immigrants and you were made a refugee in your own country.

[Buckeroo]

Let's place the point far from your inferior mind. LET'S JUST PLACE YOUR MIND AS A method that government enjoys. Pay your taxes and don't complain. Never complain as governent is here to help you. Reap the advantages.

[Ridin' Shotgun]

Thank you for the cordial conversation, but I must take my leave now. We may disagree about these things, but you've been civil about it and I appreciate that. Good night.

[dell Arpa]

Let's place the point far from your inferior mind.

Are you this rude to everyone you meet, or am I just lucky?

LET'S JUST PLACE YOUR MIND AS A method that government enjoys.

I think I'll need someone's English-to-English translating skills to understand this sentence.

Pay your taxes and don't complain. Never complain as governent is here to help you. Reap the advantages.

You see, I have no problem paying taxes, as I have something called 'the right to vote.' Remember "No taxation without representation"? I have representation, therefore I accept taxation.

Aside from such stellar advice, what was your point concerning Israel's lack of a constitution?

[Nix 2]

PLEASE! If you must bash Israel in every post you make, can you at least SPELL it right?
FYI, Israel has never had respite from wars declared since her rebirth. What would you know about living under constant threat of annilhilation and trying to adhere to all the principles of democracy at the same time?
I will tell you. Nothing. Nothing at all. So your simple statement that Israel has no Constitution is only a partial truth, and it is because of the absence of any responsibility to their own people by the Arab Nations that Israel remains precarious and under a constant state of alert that would paralyze most countries. Yet they still have the most open and free society in the entire Near East, and when, not IF, but when, their position is secure, they will have a *formal* Constitution and be hated even more for their success.

[Buckeroo]

I am going to kick your ass. Let's say that everything you sAY is true. Let's say that you are a messenger about GOD. Now convince me.

[Buckeroo]

Isreal has no "right to vote". So what are you talking about?

[dell Arpa]

Wrong.

Section 5 of Israel's Basic Law: The Knesset:

Every Israel national of or over the age of eighteen years shall have the right to vote in elections to the Knesset unless a court has deprived him of that right by virtue of any Law; the Elections Law shall determine the time at which a person shall be considered to be eighteen years of age for the purpose of the exercise of the right to vote in elections to the Knesset.

Section 6 of Israel's Basic Law: The Government:

Persons entitled to vote in the elections to the Knesset shall be entitled to vote in the elections for the Prime Minister.

[Buckeroo]

So why do they play a game of administration? Tell me more.

[dell Arpa]

So why do they play a game of administration?

What do you mean? Coalition governments and the like? I'm not sure I understand what you're asking.

[A CA Guy]

That was part of our world wide treaties signed in the Cold War days to prevent nations from going to the communist's side. The treaties we have are enforcable in world courts and we would look bad in not honoring them. In the future if we backed out nobody would trust us again.

[Buckeroo]

yeah.

I am wondering why I talk to folks like you on FR. I fucked up on this channel. I should have never been here.