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The Israel Problem: Why We Should End The Welfare
self | 12/30/01 | Rick Fisk

Posted on 12/30/2001 9:36:17 AM PST by Demidog

Arguments over Israel and support of Israel are extremely contentious.

Support for Israel runs the gambit from those who support them, to the extent of wanting them to be an extension of the U.S. in the middle east, to those who are anti-Semitic and would like to see Israel destroyed.

Of course there is some middle ground, but in general the arguments about how the U.S. should treat Israel in the context of our broader foreign policy decisions is generally framed with opponents accusing each other of one extreme end of the spectrum or the other.

Hidden amongst the rhetorical rubble of these combative arguments, is the unanswered question which I believe is the core issue regarding Israel and U.S:

Who gets to decide the fate of Israel?

Is it Israel? Or is it the foerign policy wonks of the U.S. who are more interested in U.S. interests than those of Israel?

Staunch supporters of Israel would like to have their cake and eat it too. They would like the U.S. to continue to send billions in foreign and military aid, and yet butt out of Israel's own foreign policy decisions. Those on the opposite end probably want the same cake: U.S. support ceases and is over-run by her enemies.

If Israel lobs a missile or plants a booby trap that kills Palestinian children, the arguments flare up again and those who do not support Israel (like the so-called "Amen-Corner") perceive such incidents as license to condemn Israel and question U.S. support. While the "Amen-Corner" fights tooth and nail sometimes even ignores real attrocities or blames the victims of those attrocities in order to keep the pressure on to continue aid to Israel.

But it's a losing proposition for both sides.

Those who support Israel to the extreme do not get what they want because U.S. foreign policy is not concerned at all with what is in the best interests of Israel. It is concerned with U.S. interests. And those who do not support Israel (for whatever reason) do not have a choice. They must support Israel because they cannot direct their tax dollars away from Israel.

The money and aid that the U.S. sends to Israel has strings attached like all welfare programs foreign or domestic. Israel will never get to fully direct its own foreign policy as long as it is required to cowtow to U.S. demands. And it will always have to cowtow to U.S. demands as long as the U.S. government is providing the aid.

The right thing for Israel to do, if it is interested in becoming truly independent is to reject that aid. But this is easier stated than put into action.

Israel could no more reject American aid than a heroin addict could stare at a fresh fix and walk away.

The relationship between Israel and the U.S. is viewed by some as necessary to bring stability to the middle east. But the relationship is not healthy. It is marred, and more resembles a pimp/hooker relationship than two friends who are trying to help each other.

I have said on more than one occasion that our support of Israel is not moral. But this is not quite accurate. It isn't the support itself that is immoral. It is the forced nature of the support that is immoral combined with the U.S.'s insistence that control be associated with that support.

Those Americans that do not wish to support Israel should not have to do so. Just like none of us should have to support a family with our labor via Section 8, welfare programs or public schools, we should also not have to support another nation against our will.

Those who wish to support Israel with their taxes should be allowed to send as much as they wish. And I would venture a guess that the support Israel received from private citizens would far surpass what is given now (12 dollars or so per taxpayer).

And furthermore, how much sense does it make for the U.S. to send aid to both Israel and the Palestinians or Jordanians or other potential enemies of Israel against the wishes of those who support Israel?

It doesn't at all. That is why we must stop foreign aid to Israel and leave it in the hands of our private citizens. Of course, combined with this must also be the end of the Income tax. Ending the Income Tax would free the American people to support whomever they wished, foreign or domestic, without strings and without government control.

Since when is the U.S. as a nation qualified or even authorized to decide what is best for any nation other than the U.S.?

Since.....never.

And the added benefit to such a solution is the immediate calming of the rhetoric and the elimination the perceived problem with those of us who want an end to U.S. managed support of Israel: coersion.

There is nothing wrong with supporting Israel. It should not be forced at the point of a gun.


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Israel has the right to direct it's own affairs. Our "support" denies them this right.
1 posted on 12/30/2001 9:36:17 AM PST by Demidog (rfisk@lycos.com)
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2 posted on 12/30/2001 9:38:29 AM PST by Demidog
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To: Demidog
Happy New Year. Hopefully Fisk's last.
3 posted on 12/30/2001 9:43:23 AM PST by imperator2
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4 posted on 12/30/2001 9:45:42 AM PST by Demidog
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To: imperator2
Hopefully Fisk's last.

Such a friendly sentiment. Why?

5 posted on 12/30/2001 9:46:24 AM PST by Demidog
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To: Demidog
I've read other articles saying Israel would do better against it's enemies if the US wasn't constantly holding it back. I don't know too much about all that ---but after Sept 11, I think holding back against terrorists states doesn't work well.
6 posted on 12/30/2001 9:52:00 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Demidog
And furthermore, how much sense does it make for the U.S. to send aid to both Israel and the Palestinians or Jordanians or other potential enemies of Israel against the wishes of those who support Israel

Yours would be one of many opinions, but why did you call for the end of welfare to Israel but not the "other potential enemies of Israel"?

7 posted on 12/30/2001 9:53:26 AM PST by lewislynn
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I think you misunderstand. I would call and end to aid of any kind to any nation that wasn't voluntary. Sorry I wasn't clear.
8 posted on 12/30/2001 9:56:16 AM PST by Demidog
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To: Demidog
First, please find a way to kick all the illegal aliens out of California please. They are a far bigger drain than welfare ever was. We passed 187 and Gray Davis squashed the will of the people by NOT defending it in court. It was a historic move by a CA Gov.

Secondly, America had treaties all over the world that are in place from before the cold war that has us financing or protecting them from all sorts of garbage. It was our way of buying influence to help others avoid communism. So our involvement in many areas have been by actual obligation.

Lastly, welfare as a way of life is a form of slavery. I don't wan't people to be enslaved by access to easy money to NOT work. I do believe in short term safty nets when jobs are lost and perhaps an unexpected birth ruins college or the current job. Any safty nets should be os maybe 6 months. The only exclusion would be what SS does when a spouse dies. It helps through the deceased spouses SS benefits to give a check to their child until as late as 22 id they are in college.

That's my 2 cents! Except for one little deal. We don't want Israel to lose in the Middle East because we will be without any true friend or friendly ground. So don't be so quick to pull the financial plug over there.

10 posted on 12/30/2001 9:59:32 AM PST by A CA Guy
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Has Fisk recovered from the whuppin' he got in Pakistan/Afghanistan yet?

I still like the idea of cutting off all aid for Israel and the Palestinians--and not have the US interfere if any untidiness breaks out.

11 posted on 12/30/2001 9:59:32 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
Wrong Fisk.
12 posted on 12/30/2001 10:00:51 AM PST by Demidog
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To: Demidog
You may be unaware but last year an agreement was signed between Israel and the United States to reduce and gradually end all foreign (non-military) aid to Israel in about six years.

Military aid will continue. Military aid to Israel must be spent in the US and is a win win for both Nations.

13 posted on 12/30/2001 10:02:06 AM PST by Sabramerican
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There's nothing saying that the financial plug would be pulled. If Americans had the means and ability to send support at their own pace, Israel would more than likely get more American assistence than it receives now.
14 posted on 12/30/2001 10:03:08 AM PST by Demidog
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To: Demidog
Here we go again. . .
15 posted on 12/30/2001 10:03:57 AM PST by rdb3
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To: Demidog
Wrong Fisk.

Oh, foo. He must not be able to type yet.

16 posted on 12/30/2001 10:04:02 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Sabramerican
Any aid that doesn't have the 100% support of the American people is by definition coersion and thus immoral. And Israel cannot possibly be helped by having the U.S. dictate its responses to terrorist acts.
17 posted on 12/30/2001 10:04:26 AM PST by Demidog
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To: Demidog
You are a soaring intellect and a scholar of the American form of government.
18 posted on 12/30/2001 10:06:40 AM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Demidog
Aid to Israel is a plus for the United States and Israel. Just because you are a libertarian and isolationist doesn't mean others are obligated to.
All Robert Fisk does is to spout the same tired old Islamic garbage that can be found on countless Muslim websites. Cut off aid to Israel so the Muslims have a better shot at destroying Israel. Robert Fisk is just another leftist/socialist critic of the Jewish state. Amusing how the socialists and Islamists make common cause with some of the libertarians such as you. All to get rid of Israel.

The United States is a world power. We are not Switzerland. We will act as a great power acts. Aligning our selves with democracies in an unforgiving world. You demidog, can take up the ostrich pose and think that abandoning Israel does something positive. It does not. This will just encourage the world wide Muslim Jihad.
19 posted on 12/30/2001 10:07:09 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Sabramerican
Thanks!
20 posted on 12/30/2001 10:07:12 AM PST by Demidog
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