Posted on 12/26/2001 9:15:08 AM PST by Notwithstanding
Just want to see what people think.
Rudy has been a "good leader" in the wake of 9-11. Men with shoddy morals can be "good leaders" - but is a leader really good if he fails to show remorse for his evil acts (abortion support and public adultery)? Is a man really a good leader if he publicly advocates serial killing of preborn babies? If he publicly parades his mistress before the cameras? If he never publicly expresses remorse about these two hugely important moral errors.
Rudy has been as good a mayor as you can get for NYC. Nevertheless I would NEVER support him for president.
longer answer: I think that his selfless good deeds transcend his sin. He did all he has done not for how it would make him look, but becasue it needed to be done.
Freedom includes the freedom to be immoral. You obviously don't approve of the American ideals. You should live somewhere else. I understand there are a lot of people in Afghanistan that agree with you. Try that.
1. A politician's declared abortion stance (declaring it during his campaings to win votes) is not "private".
2. A mayor who takes his mistress to public events as his escort no longer expects that her existence is a private matter. (For many of us a politicians' mistress who is never seen in public is still not a private matter.)
Careful your ignorance is showing, better read again. So you are saying that "my" country is not based on Godly values... What an idiotic comment. Are you a democrat or just stupid?
longer answer: I think that his selfless good deeds transcend his sin. He did all he has done not for how it would make him look, but becasue it needed to be done.
When it comes to murder of the most helpless and defenseless of humanity which in nearly of all cases you willfully helped create, I dare say there's only right and wrong.
Your suggestion that standing on the side of "right" on the abortion issue is somehow demonstrative of "monopoly" on morality is, I hope, meant in jest. I reject the mental gymnastics and justifications of the pro-abortion movement as passing for morality.
No "civilized society" can support legal abortion. I know some conservatives (like Michael Medved) decry likening the abortion industry to other attrocities in history, perhaps even the Holocaust, but it is what it is: the willful creation of the human beings only to flee from one's decision and instead order the baby ripped apart on a whim like a child would tease his friend: "Here's this toy you've dreamed of having." And, as the friend reaches for it, the child draws a malevolent grin upon its face and screams, "TRICK!," yanking the toy away.
The difference is with abortion we're generally talking responsible adults, designed to be the protectors of their offspring. And the "toy" snatched away, is one's very life which the developing baby can't even defend. The line is fine between the murderous coward in Texas who drowned her own helpless baby along with her other children and the woman who goes to a clinic for an abortion because she doesn't "want" the baby. At least the Texas mother doesn't pretend to be anything other than mentally ill.
Look beyond the "pro-choice" rhetoric and theorical cases and see how it's really used: as birth control; there are *always* alternatives to abortion.
This nation regulates medical procedures all the time, I fail to see why abortion should be any different simply because the woman didn't intend to pro-create when she had intercourse. Do you not find it funny that the man's rights of pro-creation aren't protected or considered. This reality speaks volumes about the "pro-choice" movement. They're not really about "reproductive rights" or "equality" at all. They're about power over others, power over men and power over the very lives of offspring.
But did Rudy repent. And if He didn't repent, isn't he still a baby killer and an adulterer? I understand the original question. Is an adulterer and baby killer a hero? Suppose he had killed a few winos. Should the American people have forgiven that if he had never repented?
Maybe what we no longer understand is that the evil actions we do show what is at our core. Someone can provide a very civilized veneer over a very dangerous core. I know, I know, I sin too. But at my core I am repentant. Maybe I will continue to commit the sins I have committed in the past, but I am doing everything I know how to avoid doing that. I desire to be something else. Does Rudy desire to be other than a baby killer and adulterer?
It is a valid question.
He did do a bang-up job handling the 9/11 attack, though. No argument there.
Shalom.
Rudy did his job, those passengers made the ultimate sacrifice to save unknown lives on the ground. There's no comparison whatsoever.
Rudy was a big city mayor and seems to have done a lot of good for his city during his time. He maybe well have been person of the year for New York, but certainly not for humanity or even this nation. He's not even a true hero.
Those things have nothing to do with his adultry or stand on abortion.
"Greater love hath no man than to give his life for his friends." That's a hero. That describes Flight 93, Todd Beamer and the rest. W's team is more deserving than Rudy. Countless people do. Who's surprised? It's Time.
That's a sort of a loaded definition :)
But it is still your opinion. You may be right. The only point I was making is that there are other opinions and the people that hold them aren't evil because they have them. They simply disagree.
We are a country based on individual liberty, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Love it or leave it.
Careful your ignorance is showing, better read again. So you are saying that "my" country is not based on Godly values... What an idiotic comment. Are you a democrat or just stupid?
If you think what I said is idiotic then it isn't MY ignorance showing.
Speaking of which, leave the personal insults out of it. Remember: "Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts."
Me: I am not so sure you would hold that view if you were about to be ripped to pieces by the knife of an abortionist.
People who are pro-life are not under that knife, but realize the plight of those who are. No one deserves to be brutally slaughtered because her mother does not want her to live.
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