Posted on 12/24/2001 8:50:21 PM PST by Bobby777
what ever your views are FReep this poll!!! let's keep this thing bumped ... the score is terrible ... c'mon Christians ... it's on the left ... a little bit down ...
If Adam never ate the fruit in disobedience to God there was no sin of Adam ,there was no sin separation between God and man.
There was no need for "the second Adam" Christ to come to earth in the form of a man to reconcile man to himself .
I had never considered how often one book or "story " build on another.Before long you have denied Christ and His purpose
Make that "translated politically" and I will agree with you!
I am not amazed that you think that my salvation (or lack of it ) is something that needs to be articulated. Salvation being a free gift from God is strictly a personal experience that defies description. Since you think us gnostics are lost in our mish-mash of mysticism, it would be a complete waste of my time to even try to explain the unexplainable.
Your belief system is exactly what tried to annihilate Gnostic Christianity in the first place. There are many Christian writings that I consider to be scripture that you don't. So we have no common ground on which to have a rational discussion.
For those who might be interested on my course of enlightenment you can click here.
There are other parts of this post that I could debate, but I will confine myself (for now) to just one point.
When you say that God "was lonely" are you saying that there was something lacking in Him? Was He not satisfied with His position/condition? Was He incomplete due to His loneliness and need for love?
I would argue that God created this universe for His own purposes, and for His own glory, but not due to some loneliness or need for love. If so, then He is certainly not God due to the fact that He would not be complete within Himself. (In other words, He would be less than perfect.)
eazdzit...and my Fellow Freepers!
A careful study of Ezekiel 18:4 shows that Ezekiel was speaking out against a False teaching concerning inherited Guilt!
The "father and son" mentioned are NOT referring to:
God The Father and God The Son...the First and Second Persons of The Holy Trinity ~ OR ~ Trunity of The GOD HEAD, the word in the Original Hebrew Language: ECHAD!
READ: Genesis 1:26, the word: "US" IS...ECHAD!
NOW...as to "Your" Scripture Quotes in Your Post # 30...
YOU cannot Issolate Scriptures, Twist them to YOUR liking... in other words: You cannot take Holy Scripture out of Context in order to Prove "YOUR" Point or Agenda.
As this is nothing Less than HERESY!
Here's my suggestion to YOU and ALL posting on this Board...
STUDY THE HOLY SCRIPTURES, make Certain that YOU know what YOU are posting for ALL the World to read...especially to those who are Young Babes in THE LORD...Least YOU LEAD THEM ASTRAY AND AWAY FROM THE LORD!
Praying for YOU to See The Light!
In THE Name That Is Above ALL NAMES!
Yeshua HaMoshiach/Jesus THE CHRIST AND RISEN LORD!
This is just about the only thing on which we can have agreement!
I guess that it is easier to follow a "christ" who places so little responsibility on you except to follow your own path of enlightenment. The Jesus Christ of the New Testament is a far different person than the one you follow. The true Christ was actually a pretty judgmental fellow who pulled no punches when it comes to the demands of discipleship. He actually had the audacity to demand total obedience to His will.
You have freep mail.
I was raised Catholic..when I was a child we memorized the following
Why did God make me?
God made me to Know Love and serve Him in this world and the rest.So right away we see I do not come from the "God needs me" doctrinal school :>)
I left the RC church many years ago..but I do believe that this answer is pretty close to what I still believe.
God does not need me..I need Him
Was God "lonely?" God had himself..Father Son and Spirit.. He never needed me IMHO
Have you ever considered that He could have just destroyed the world and started over? He is sovereign over all creation. He decided to redeem that which He had made Himself.
Most of the Calvinists on the forum will tell you that they believe in Free will....every man does as He wills...
Didn't you find that after you responded to the gospel what you wanted changed? If God gave you your life.....If God put you where He wanted you.....why is it difficult to believe He could change your heart to desire Him and what He desires ?
So you do not believe it was necessary for Christ to come then Huh?
For His own glory. That is quite clear in many places in Scripture. However, you would be hard pressed to support your notion that He did so out of loneliness, because He needed love, or due to any other "need" that He might have. A "needy" God is no God, the God that I worship is complete and lacking nothing.
This is why so many people turn away from fundamentalist churches like yours. I prefer that God makes me in his image and not yours. Literalist fundamentalism always trys to make you in their image, and I have a natural tendency to rebel against domination. Christ never meant for his church to be placed in the chains of literalism, beaten into submission until we have no will of our own. Tied to a legalism that destroys the very soul, our churches are places of death, not life.
God meant for us to live free from bondage, able to explore his creation. We were made in his image and we should reflect that image, not an image of spiritual death. This is why Christ was resurrected, to set us free!
Oy Vey...sorry for misspelled word: "Trunity" should be:
Triunity!
A quick summary of my belief.... G_d created the Universe, set the laws of that universe in place so that the sun, the world, the plants, the animals and humans would come about. He knew when he created the pshyical laws what would happen 15 billion years later. To me thats wonderous! Far more wonderous and grand than the view that he did it in 7 days. There is no need for G_d to manifest a miracle out of thin air as EVERYTHING is his miracle already.
Christ was necessary because mankind decided to disobey G-d at some point and he wanted to give men laws that would benefit man himself. G_d didn't just make things sins for no purpose... just on a whim... he made them because following his laws would make the world a better place. Sorry for the poor explaination... I just don't have time to write a better response... I really do gotta go now. Bye.
Actually you may prefer that God made you in His image,but unless you have completely discarded the bible...that is not what God's word says
Genesis 5 1 This is the written account of Adam's line. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God.
2 He created them male and female and blessed them. And when they were created, he called them "man."
3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
I have a natural tendency to rebel against domination.
Well the inability to allow God to have dominion over you could be a problem .
Storm when you have a minute I would be interested in when and how an evolving man ever needed a god let alone a savior
Have a good night..No FR the 27th!
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