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Didn't we already know this, instinctively? The abortion worshippers have used every trick in their paly book, even lying blatantly to Congress, yet have never been found in contempt! Skewing polls by asking death-loaded questions shouldn't surprise anyone who is pro-life, especially after this clear study done of the polling questions!
1 posted on 12/16/2001 1:53:14 PM PST by MHGinTN (MHGinTN@mindspring.com)
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PING))))))
2 posted on 12/16/2001 1:54:57 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
BIG Texas BUMP!
3 posted on 12/16/2001 2:24:27 PM PST by MeekOneGOP
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You simply can't believe a poll that tells you that most Americans agree with "Roe vs. Wade."

Never did.

Never will.

Why?

Because verbal engineering always preceeds social engineering, and 99% of "abortion polls" are textbook exercises in verbal engineering.

4 posted on 12/16/2001 2:31:28 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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Fr. Pavone, pro-life, always-remember-that-verbal-engineering-always-preceeds-social-engineering ping
10 posted on 12/16/2001 3:44:18 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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Father Frank bump!
16 posted on 12/16/2001 4:46:49 PM PST by JMJ333
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Just about any poll on abortion will have the result sought by the sponsor. While this has a lot to do with polling bias, there's a more important factor underlying it: despite the claims on both sides that abortion is a highly-polarized issue, the majority of people hold positions somewhere between the pro-life and pro-choice camps.

I wish Republicans would wise up and not only realize this, but use this fact to their advantage. Given the status quo on the issue, compromise would not be appeasement [since a small gain is still a gain]. While incrementalism would not achieve total results any time soon, an all-or-nothing atitude won't achieve major results ever.

Imagine what would have happened if Ms. Brady never did anything but push for total gun bans, and then compare that with the attitude and actions of many in the pro-life camp. Then consider who has had more success.

24 posted on 12/16/2001 8:31:08 PM PST by supercat
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I really know how to irritate some folks. ;)
30 posted on 12/16/2001 8:41:30 PM PST by JMJ333
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It's typical sovietology. The soviets were so obsessed against the creation of the universe, they maintained the big bang was statisticaly impossible, that the universe was like a perpetual motion machine most likely according to their statistics and probability.

Time and again they will use statistics while true scientific law does not rely on statistics but general principles that are gauged against reality. Ironicaly statistics have however been used by the Church to prove the existence of miracles. So, really, those people are using polls and statistics as if reality and science were a matter of miracle!!

40 posted on 12/17/2001 1:24:44 AM PST by lavaroise
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When I look at the questions in the Gallop Abortion Polls I do not see any biases. I do admit that because of my own biases I might not be able to detect questions that are biased against Pro-life.

I would appreciate it if some knowledgeable Pro-life people could help me see if there are any biased questions in the Gallop poles. If some of the questions are biased, how should they be changed to become unbiased?

I am not asking this to be argumentative. I just want your opinions on the fairness of the Gallop Abortion Polls.

41 posted on 12/17/2001 1:53:09 AM PST by pcl
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Breast cancer and all...
47 posted on 12/17/2001 5:07:24 AM PST by mbb bill
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To: MHGinTN
Lies...damn lies... and abortion polls?

Shalom.

48 posted on 12/17/2001 6:07:56 AM PST by ArGee
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I have always wondered about these polls. I don't know very many pro-choice people at all, only a hand full. I just assumed it was because I live in a pretty conservative state. I don't know really. But something else that is odd, is even my pro-choice friends admit that it is wrong to them, they just don't think anyone should have a say in what a woman is suppose to do with her body. Interesting they would admit to me it's WRONG.
49 posted on 12/17/2001 6:08:27 AM PST by SpookBrat
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What I'd like to see is V4F (veto for fathers) posited against C4M (choice for men). Both expose the incongruity of responsibilities without rights for fathers. While I am 100% in favor of V4F, I support getting the C4M argument out there, to expose this incongruity.

I'm in favor of a post-Roe Human Life Amendment. En route to that, there will need to be incremental measures put into place by law. A ban on partial-birth abortion, parental consent for minors, defunding Planned Parenthood, keeping the proposed "clinics" out of public schools...and V4F.

V4F is, in tandem with science and sympathy in favor of the prenatal baby. V4F offers a visible protagonist (the father), who is closely connected to the situation at hand.

It obliterates the "every child a wanted child" argument. Under V4F, every child is wanted, and supported, by the father.

It blows the myth of abortion being a "woman's issue". So long as pro-lifers are silent on V4F, abortion will be considered by the public-at-large a "woman's issue". As such, on some level, people will say, "Well, so long as abortions aren't forced..."

Many, many women subscribe to the NIMBY principle, saying that they would not personally have an abortion, but wouldn't stop others...V4F exposes the gyncentricity of this position.

I would pose to pro-lifers the following: the pro-life movement has failed in the courts and legislatures for 30 years. They have failed to endorse or even acknowledge the V4F position for 30 years. Society has paid the price for this twinned set of failures, and they are twinned. Abortion will never end, and a Human Life Amendment will never come about, until V4F is endorsed by the pro-life movement. It takes two to make a baby, but so long as pro-lifers are silent about one of those two, the father, it will appear that only one person was involved in conception, and that therefor the product of conception is the province of one person only. Keeping fathers/V4F out of the picture undermines the personhood of the prenatal baby for these reasons. It is not baby's rights vs. father's rights. It is that after 30 years of colossal failure by the pro-life movement's no-father approach, the baby's personhood needs to be endorsed by a visible, immediately involved protagonist: the father.

Pro-lifers refuse to engage this issue. All manner of red herrings are thrown out: well, the father was probably some irresponsible jerk, or somehow V4F would lead to C4M (when actually they are opposites), etc. etc.

Pro-lifers refuse to wake-up and endorse this issue.

And this is why we fail.

61 posted on 12/20/2001 4:52:45 AM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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