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So, really, those people are using polls and statistics as if reality and science were a matter of miracle!! 40 posted by lavaroise But, my friend, isn't life miraculous? Aren't we so accustomed to the miraulous, now that we may technologically duplicate things God accomplishes merely by speaking the event into existence ... so accustomed to the miraculous that we now tend to hold ANYTHING as non-miraculous, on the assumption that our intellects will eventually figure out how to accomplish whatever the human heart desires to do? The Babel Tower and the confrontations Moses had with Pharoah's sorcerers come to mind. Did God not tell Himself in Eden that '... now lest they live forever in their fallen state, shall we not withhold the fruit of the tree of life from them?'(paraphrasing, of course...Genesis: 'And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." ' Yet we strive for that 'forever' with our God-given minds/intellects.)

The former group seems to turn out OK, the latter are little barbarians.... at our gates! 45 posted by backhoe Like Pogo, I fear that having seen the enemy, the barbarians amongst US, 'they are US'!

But something else that is odd, is even my pro-choice friends admit that it is wrong to them, they just don't think anyone should have a say in what a woman is suppose to do with her body. Interesting they would admit to me it's WRONG. 49 posted by SpookBrat A most poignant observation, my Freeper friend! In your opinion, would discussion comparing the lifetime already begun for the preborn as weighed against a few months of pregnancy for the mother to give life support be useful?... I ask because I am constantly in debates with pro-abortion folks where they appear to admit just as you've cited, but something doesn't click to bring them into consciousness of the individual lifetime running along already in the womb! My strategy is usually to avoid religious arguments with abortion debates, in favor of the clear scientific proof of an individual life running in the borrowed womb and the appeal to American values of life and liberty. Do you think it would be fruitful to appeal to the sense of fairness weighing a lifetime against a few months of inconvenience?... With the caveat that our nation put or tax dollars where our sentiments are, with supporting the little ones to be rejected by their mothers; a situation that would start as a costly enterprise, but which would quickly evolve into a socital affirmation of the life of the little ones and thus the greater valuation on keeping and raising the children, all children.

I have maintained for several year that rhetoric is no longer taught because it is being used against us. Logic is no longer taught because it would protect us. 46 posted by Woahhs A kean observation! You are aware that science of the preborn, the truth of prenatal life, bespeaks a unique individual lifetime begun --at the very least-- with implantation, and that any purposeful termination of life support from that implantation onward is abortion; so how might one deal with a group of agenda-driven people who wish to obfuscate the raw truth, using science when they can twist their sometimes ambiguous claims over clear data to support their death cultist beliefs, then switch to irrational emotional arguments when science slaps their assertions into the dust?

I'm speaking, of course, of the woman who is dehumanized by asking someone to destroy her child. She debases herself into a pleasure-machine, destroys her own child ... 50 posted on 12/17/01 10:21 AM Eastern by ArGee It is one of the mysteries of iniquity that the human mind can delude itself so easily. And what a shame that our women can be so easily deluded to support serial killing of the unborn ripped from their God-blessed female bodies! It boggles the mind how effective the satanic influence has become as technology as grown more and more to be depended upon.