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Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?
Free Republic | 11/28/01 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 11/28/2001 7:31:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Free Republic has had one helluva run over the last five years or so. We helped impeach one president and helped get another into office. We've been active in demonstrations and protests in nearly every city across the nation. We've participated in conventions, petition drives, activism campaigns and projects for dozens of conservative causes.

We've grown from a tiny web site with a few hundred posters and readers from the time of inception in 1996, to one with tens of thousands of participants today. Along the way we've made lots of great friends and, unfortunately, also made lots of bitter enemies.

We've grown from a small web site that I could manage myself on a part-time basis to a huge monster that has totally consumed all of my time and resources plus nearly all of John's time, plus the time and resources of many dedicated FReepers who volunteer or contribute large amounts of their own time and money.

The site is now consuming all of a 10 mbps dedicated line with two servers and we're still growing, and it consumes large amounts of money to keep all this running. In the early years, it only took a few thousand dollars per month to keep Free Republic on the air, but it is now costing over $20,000 per month to cover all expenses.

The major costs include approximately $8,000 per month for bandwidth, 3,000 for systems management and programming services, 7,000 for management, operating and administrative services, plus two or three thousand per month for miscellaneous office expenses, telephone, communications, repairs & maintenance, travel & lodging, postage, rentals, insurance, legal fees, accounting fees, etc., etc.

We anticipate a reduction in bandwidth costs next year as we renegotiate our contract (the market price for bandwidth has fallen recently), however, that will be more than offset by an expected increase in costs of our legal expenses. As most of you know, our pro bono attorney has left us and we've hired a new attorney to continue with our case, plus we have the suit against eschoir to pay for. My projections are that our regular monthly expenses for next year will be running in the neighborhood of $22,000 per month, or approximately $264,000 total for the year. This means we will need to raise approximately $66,000 per quarter.

Talking about making enemies, we've got several ex-FReepers and other detractors who are claiming on their anti-freeper web sites that I am ripping off the donors and that Free Republic is a fraud. Now, Free Republic is what it is, and it is definitely not a fraud. It is a conservative news discussion forum that encourages participation in politics and activism projects. It is not being billed as anything else. We are not selling or promising anything. And I am being up front about our operating costs. The costs of running Free Republic are what I've stated above and they are necessary to keep FR on the air. I do not have the financial wherewithal to operate this site without your help. If the majority of the FReepers feel that these costs are out of line or too much to bear or that Free Republic is no longer wanted or needed, then we will either cut it back or shut it down or do something altogether different.

I've also been criticized about not making our financials public. Well, the reason I do not want to do this is that I have been sued, both personally and as Free Republic, LLC. The people suing us want to bankrupt us and shut us down. They subpoenaed our financial records, but we refused to turn them over. The judge agreed that the plaintiffs have no right to the information, thus I have no intention of making any more of it public than I absolutely have to, until this lawsuit is resolved. You all know the amounts of money we raise if you follow the fundraising threads. It is all above board and out in the open. The totals posted by BadJoe are usually pretty close to the actual cash received and the amounts expended are pretty close to the amounts projected. No one is getting rich here and no one is being ripped off. The funds raised are being used for the purposes stated, and that is keeping this website on the air and that's it. Nothing fraudulent about it. Those who want to help fund us freely do so with nothing expected in return. Those who do not want to contribute do not have to.

There was a thread running this morning where people were making all kinds of accusations about Free Republic "hiding the truth" or whatever. These accusations are being made by Chuck Allan and others and fall along the same line with the accusations being made by some of the earlier banees or AFers including Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan, Arator, keep U.S. Sovereign, TKEman and others. Some of these people are existing FReepers and some are banned. I am going to reinstate Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan and Arator's accounts so they can join Chuck Allan, TKEman, K.U.S.S. and whomever else wants to get involved, and I invite them to come onto this thread and make their accusations public. As long as they do not go onto other threads and make a nuisance of themselves, I will let them have their say.

Like I said above, if it is time for Free Republic to go away so be it. Those who want to keep it going speak up. Those who want it to go away, tell us why. But if those who want it to be gone lose out in the debate, then I'd say they should just go away themselves, or, in the very least, shut up and quit whining about it.

Thanks,

Jim


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To: Jim Robinson
Hey, I found this site last night, and I would LOVE to donate but my parents are wacky with giving money to someplace. Jim, you keep this running for 2 more years(when I am 16), I swear I will donate at least $100 in the 2 years from now. I know, some might hate me, but, I swear I am Republican, love Reagan,Bush, and Bush(GW) and wouldn't like to see this go down. Thank you, A Young Republican looking for others that feel the same as me(I live in WI, dunno if u need that)
2,841 posted on 12/02/2001 7:44:02 AM PST by DTwistedSisterS
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To: Howlin
I've been watching a couple of things on PBS this weekend that I'd wanted to see for a while. As it happens it's "Pledge Week" at WETA and funny thing....they haven't once told me where all their money goes? How much they pay in salaries, what their overall operating costs are, how much they pay to keep their web site running, etc. HOW DARE THEY!

Hell, they even get money from the FED and are still trying to get me to reach into my pocket and give and what are they giving me in return. Nothing...I only watch about 9 hours of PBS per week compared to the 25 or so hours that I spend freeping.

Now I'm really pissed. I demand a peasant revolt.

2,842 posted on 12/02/2001 7:45:00 AM PST by ReaganGirl
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To: A_dutiful_daughter
Wow, that's almost believable - you're asking all these probing questions just for the sake of your poor gullible mommy. LOTF anxiously awaits word of Jim's response. It must be rough to have no life.
2,843 posted on 12/02/2001 7:47:13 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: A_dutiful_daughter
what a post of BS that was.
2,844 posted on 12/02/2001 7:47:43 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: ReaganGirl
Because this is not a publicly traded company and as a LLC does not have to disclose the items you suggested.

Please read this and get back to me:

Justinianist's Research: Must FR Register as a Charity?

2,845 posted on 12/02/2001 7:48:20 AM PST by Z2
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To: blackbart1
Forgive me for intruding, your comments weren't directed to me, however, I believe that moderatoring at least some moderatoring is really needed. Many times newbies or people just surfing through see only the outlandish or stupid posts and go on their way much to their loss.

Hey, jump right in :)

The problem with this scheme is that so many terribly, terribly stupid posts are on-topic, polite and in no way break any of the rules. Moderating for quality is almost impossible to do fairly and well and is by definition subjective.

Thing is, forums like FR let everybody have an equal chance to get up on the soapbox. I think that's a mind-blowing and fantastic thing - the real miracle of the internet, and one that I think is going to have a genuine impact on society.

Unfortunately, some of those voices are going to be stupid or stone cold crazy or merely inarticulate. It's just inevitable. I don't know how many thousands of posts hit FR every day, but it's a cinch that probably hundreds of them are embarrassingly dumb.

Given what platforms like FR are trying to do, I think it's terribly unfair for Rush (or anyone) to latch on to the worst messages of the day and call them representative. I'd hate to see more rules imposed because some people "out there" don't get the concept.

2,846 posted on 12/02/2001 7:49:25 AM PST by Ratatoskr
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To: ReaganGirl
At the very least, PBS should release confidential legal documents convered under Atty./Client priv., doncha think?
2,847 posted on 12/02/2001 7:51:01 AM PST by diotima
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To: A_dutiful_daughter
You seem to be one of the alpha attack dogs here. I anticipated you would try and characterize my questions as one of the Antis, and I can't prove you wrong so I intend to ignore you.

Then why did you respond?

You've been expecting me? How nice. You surely must be thrilled. On threads like these, I don't respond to just *any* posts, you know.

Only the ones that are BS.

In fact, your repose speaks volumes as to why she would not want to ask any questions in person.

In case you HAVE been reading this thread, you have seen, I am sure, that legitimate questions have been answered in words that even a child of your age should have been able to understand.

I'm sure your mother is a nice person; however, as we are now at nearly 3000 replies on this thread, I would suggest you might want to take her aside and have a discussion with her as to the meaning of the words "PRIVATE COMPANY."

2,848 posted on 12/02/2001 7:53:54 AM PST by Howlin
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To: DTwistedSisterS
Hey! Great to have you and your from Wisconsin too!

To get our state flag flying, Go here!

2,849 posted on 12/02/2001 7:54:36 AM PST by WIMom
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To: Howlin
Could Murry be her Mom?!
2,850 posted on 12/02/2001 7:57:15 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Z2
You need serious mental help. And I'm talking about the kind you get with the rubber hose between your teeth.
2,851 posted on 12/02/2001 7:57:42 AM PST by Howlin
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
ROFLMAO...............by gawd, you could be right!
2,852 posted on 12/02/2001 7:58:30 AM PST by Howlin
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To: diotima; ReaganGirl; mountaineer
I'm trying to figure this out: does this make us Anti-Anti-Freepers?
2,853 posted on 12/02/2001 7:59:42 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
You need serious mental help. And I'm talking about the kind you get with the rubber hose between your teeth.

Yow! I'm unfamiliar with a form of therapy that involves putting a rubber hose between your teeth. I don't want to know any more about it. And I certainly don't want to know how you know about it.

2,854 posted on 12/02/2001 8:00:41 AM PST by Ratatoskr
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To: Ratatoskr
Haven't you ever seen Strange Brew????
2,855 posted on 12/02/2001 8:02:41 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
LOL!
2,856 posted on 12/02/2001 8:04:13 AM PST by diotima
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To: Howlin
Those goobers define themselves by what they're against, i.e., antiFreeps. Sounds pretty vacuous to me. I'd prefer to continue to call ourselves pro-Constitution or pro-freedom. It would be a waste of effort to be "anti" such a pitiful bunch of pathologically bitter and envious individuals.
2,857 posted on 12/02/2001 8:04:36 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: IronJack
Free Republic is going to be as good or as bad as people make it. Good or bad is subjective. It's all about perspectives. There has always been discussion about what are thought to be 'legitimate' topics, and why people should refrain from dumbing down the discussions by including things like "Madonna's Raspberries" or "Caption Hitlery's Pic" or "What's Your Favorite R-rated Movie?".

The thing is, all of those topics are relevant if people think they are, and if they (as 'conservatives') have a need to discuss them, or even if they just want to have fun with a subject sometimes. There is no place else on the internet where you could find such a diverse group of people who will consider your POV, listen attentively, flame your ass off, and keep coming back.

2,858 posted on 12/02/2001 8:05:40 AM PST by unsycophant
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To: Howlin
Haven't you ever seen Strange Brew????

No. I'm allergic to Canadians. I break out in maple syrup.

Is that where the expression "hoser" comes from?

2,859 posted on 12/02/2001 8:07:12 AM PST by Ratatoskr
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To: Howlin
Boy, for people who hate FR (whichis owned by an individual), these people sure like to lurk, post and make comments about it on other website.

Penis envy? Small man syndrome? Wounded egos?

Some people need lives of their own. Maybe they like Jim Robs life so much they want to assimilate it into theirs. I wish I had so much time to waste.

2,860 posted on 12/02/2001 8:07:32 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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