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Posted on 11/19/2001 2:03:57 PM PST by FF578

Has anyone noticed that the Liberal influence has spread here into Free Republic. I notice that less and less Conservatives seem to post here, and more and more Libertarians seem to be.

I get a letter from someone named NYpeanut who is mad because I posted a discussion based on the Gender Gap in voting.

I didn't make it up, there is really a huge Gender gap with Female Voters tending toward the more liberal candidate. The discussion went well without name calling, but this person seems to have taken issue to the fact that I pointed out women seem to vote more liberally than men.

All those who are newbies here are considered disruptors, and those who hold a more right-winged view than the average libertarian seem to be kicked out.

Why is this? Is this a Libertarian site now?

I have noticed more and more posters standing up for Abortion, Homosexuality, the Porn Industry and Drugs since I first came to this site back before the 2000 Election.

Are Christian Conservatives(Who make up a large part of the Republican core vote) not allowed here anymore?

Just because one holds to a higher power, and wishes to shape society in accordance with the laws of Almighty God, does not make one a Taliban Milita member.


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To: Torie
Recessive.
541 posted on 11/19/2001 7:07:27 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: TopQuark
I am sorry that you do not see the essense: NYPeanut was "outed" by the indiscretion of the person to whom she had sent a private e-mail.

A "hearsay" that was all of one sentence long, and referred to the name only. I didn't read anything that could be remotely construed as a personal attack from the original poster, and I read the entire initial post.

Sheesh ...

The newbies are more trouble than they're worth here on FR. Two people in a pissing contest over what? A bunch of shat in my opinion.

This is what FR has become? This is it? And I had such high hopes...

542 posted on 11/19/2001 7:08:16 PM PST by usconservative
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To: stryker
You can win the war on drugs.

#1. Mandatory Death penalty for Drug Traffickers

#2. Close the Border with Mexico, Step up the Border Patrol with Military forces with orders to shoot those who attempt to cross illegally.

#3. Authorize Coast Guard to Fire First and Ask questions Later when encountering Boats that are running drugs.

#4. Use AWACS Planes, Satellites, and Spy Planes to patrol OUR Borders and the Seaways around our Southern Border.

#5. Mandatory Stiff Jail terms for those who use drug, make even a small amount of drug possession a Felony.

If Step 1-5 Fail:

Work on a Plant Specific disease that kills only the plants used to make drugs.

Invade the South American Countries that produce drugs on a large scale and destroy the fields, dealers, and runners.

543 posted on 11/19/2001 7:09:59 PM PST by FF578
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To: Rightwing Conspirator1
I don't think Franklin or Adams were Fundamentalists either. Add to that Hamilton as well.
544 posted on 11/19/2001 7:10:25 PM PST by PJ-Comix
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To: DouglasKC
What he doesn't realize is pro-legalization are either leftists trying to push their agenda under the conservative buzzwords "freedom" and "the right of the people"...or those who have been duped by leftists into thinking that.

Another straw-man is that if you favor Anti-drug legislation then you must be against the 4th, 5th and 10th amendments. Nothing could be further from the truth.

545 posted on 11/19/2001 7:11:52 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: PJ-Comix
The Founding Fathers weren't libertarians. They were "terrorists" by today's redefinition of the term. Deal with it.
546 posted on 11/19/2001 7:12:21 PM PST by Jay W
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To: FF578
You left out mandatory jail sentence at hard labor for all who are caught in posession. However, I do believe we disagree on the death penalty thing: I believe it should be first time for dealing to minors, second time offense to anyone else. People need to learn from their mistakes, but dealing to children is worse than a mistake, it is an abomination.
547 posted on 11/19/2001 7:12:54 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: PJ-Comix
A lot of those Randians are/were pretty clueless too. They used to call themselves Objectivists and they had little sense of humor. Ever date an Objectivist chick? Talk about a lousy evening! Yeah, I want to sit there and discuss Randian philosophy all night.

Right on target. These broads get indignant and start quoting The Fountainhead when you try to leave a tip - after they've enjoyed a free dinner.

548 posted on 11/19/2001 7:12:58 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: VA Advogado
Yeah, NYPeanut continuously refers to me as a d*ckhead because I argue that a voting gender gap exists. Most definitely a disruptor.
549 posted on 11/19/2001 7:13:10 PM PST by michaelje
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To: FF578
bumping for later reading...
550 posted on 11/19/2001 7:13:43 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: PJ-Comix
There is a large amount of Evidence that our Founding Fathers were Christian. What you mean by Fundamentalist, I don't know, but Most were Christian.

Atheists tend to ATTEMPT to re-write history and claim that all of our Founding Fathers were either Deists or Atheists, even though the Evidence does not support this theory.

551 posted on 11/19/2001 7:13:57 PM PST by FF578
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To: FF578
You can win the war on drugs.

A better way would be to end welfare, let everyone work for a living, let employers fire employees who show up too stoned to work, let them lose their jobs, their homes, if they rob or steal lock them up for that.

552 posted on 11/19/2001 7:14:33 PM PST by FITZ
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To: PJ-Comix
I think Adams is the only one of the list who wasn't a deist. He was a devout Christian, but a private and cerebral one. The term Paleo seems to have next to no nexus with any of them, but maybe I missed something.
553 posted on 11/19/2001 7:16:02 PM PST by Torie
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To: Jay W
They were "terrorists" by today's redefinition of the term. Deal with it.

The Founding Fathers murdered innocent women and children? I think not. Deal with it.

554 posted on 11/19/2001 7:16:39 PM PST by PJ-Comix
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To: RaceBannon
It takes guts to win the war on drugs, not playing around like we have been.

You need to cut off the supply at it's source, taking down every street level dealer isn't going to work because they can find more.

There are countries that have very low rates of Drug use because they adopted STIFF Penalties for possession. (IE: Death Penalty.)

America has enough technology to protect our borders, Many times I wonder if we really want to our not.

If someone with guts would take the helm and actually prosecute the war on drugs like a real war, it would be over in a matter of months.

555 posted on 11/19/2001 7:17:39 PM PST by FF578
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To: DouglasKC
My only contribution to this thread will be to tell conservatives to quit trying to explain yourself to libertarians, particularly about the drug issue. It's all "free will" and "my body", etc., etc. You try to explain that the problem with using drugs is how you affect the lives of other people from your drug use, and you get accused of not answering their question, and pap about how making drugs illegal is unconstitutional.

I recently got into an attempted discussion with someone about the constitution, and they couldn't (or wouldn't) understand the concept of only "fundamental rights" being protected, didn't understand what the 14th Amendment did, didn't understand the historical context of the constitution, etc. Everything was seen through the prism of today's world, which is exactly the opposite of what is supposed to be done.

I know there are libertarians here who are not like this, but I've seen too many who fit the sterotype of arrogant, condescending crank who lives in their parents' basement and smoke dope all day long read Ayn Rand instead of getting a job.

Flame away.

556 posted on 11/19/2001 7:18:11 PM PST by GreatOne
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To: michaelje; NYpeanut
Yeah, NYPeanut continuously refers to me as a d*ckhead because I argue that a voting gender gap exists. Most definitely a disruptor.

Anyone who refers to a fellow freeper that way; is obessed with d*cks; and gets crabby when you point out the obvious gender gap. . well, I wouldn't take a nap with her near my butcher knives.

557 posted on 11/19/2001 7:18:24 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: FF578
Could you explain how libertarian = conservative when faced with the party platforms that I posted?

What you did was post all the "anti-social" parts of the libertarian platform. How about posting the ENTIRE platform. First off I'm a Republican/libertarian. I generally vote Republican, have been VERY active in the Republian party including electioneering, volunteered at the Bush HQ for Pres, etc.

My basic thinking is that we have BIGGER fish to fry trying to beat the LEFTISTS in this country. We don't have the luxury to argue among ourselves as to how more or less conservative we propose to be. Let's band together - those of us that are ANTI Leftists and when we defeat the Leftists/socialists, then we can discuss all these "minor" differences.

Most Libertarians that I know are more conservative than I am. Of course we haven't developed a definition for "conservative" so we're talking loosely here. They are much more PRO constitution, LESS for Federal Government interference and more PRO personal responsibility. The reason these "party platform" thingies are written up is not that they are PRO drugs, etc., but that they feel it is NOT the FEDERAL governments place to be the overseer of these issues. I tend to agree.

IMO, the Federal Gov. has as it's main responsibility the protection of its citizens from harm - from foreign and domestic intrusion. The Feds take more than $100 Billion from its citizens and it has FAILED in it's primary function.

558 posted on 11/19/2001 7:18:59 PM PST by Gracey
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To: thusevertotyrants
someone else's unborn child is simply not your business

it is none of my business if the intent is to carry the child to full term. if the intent is to kill the unborn child, then it is my business.

i am glad that you called it an unborn child. many people call it a fetus or some other term that denigrates its humanity and makes it sound like it can be a choice.

559 posted on 11/19/2001 7:19:22 PM PST by mlocher
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To: FF578
You're talking about the good old days of Free Republic, when you've posted here for a grand total of six days? Something doesn't compute.
560 posted on 11/19/2001 7:19:50 PM PST by NYCVirago
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