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United Parcel Service eliminates competition
17-Nov-2001 | wwjdn

Posted on 11/17/2001 4:40:42 PM PST by wwjdn

The United Parcel Service (UPS) has found a new way to eliminate competition, they are now making you pay double if you make a mistake on a package and send through a third party vendor (i.e. Mail Boxes Etc.).

I recently tried to send a birthday present to my daughter, so I mailed the box full of presents from Mail Boxes Etc. Little did I know this would cost me more than I bargained for. It seems that I made a mistake on the zip code for the parcel. All other fields were correct.

UPS noticed my mistake the next day and was kind enough to return the package to Mail Boxes Etc. for me free of charge. Therein lies the problem. The cost for returning a package at no charge ends up costing me double the original cost, because they refuse to ship the parcel now.

My costs have now doubled because if I wish to send my daughter a present I have to re-address the parcel and re-send it through UPS. When I contacted UPS to see of this was a mistake I was informed the following:

Thank you for your inquiry. Commercial Counters and Authorized Shipping Outlets are independently owned shipping outlets that provide service to customers shipping packages. They are not UPS owned facilities. Please note, the Authorized Shipping Outlet is responsible for all aspects of the shipment transaction; you do not deal directly with UPS. Thank you for using UPS Internet Services.

In my simple understanding of this message I am now to understand that had I used UPS directly without using an inferior second rate service, this would not have cost me double.

How do the rest of you feel about this? I am quite simply outraged. I will never use UPS again. There are plenty of "customer friendly" companies out there that care about the customer and some even allow for a simple mistake in addressing occasionally.

Please let me know your thoughts and pass the word that if you like UPS, then don't use a second rate intermediary.


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To: wwjdn
You know what's really going to upset you. Mail Boxes Etc. is now owned by UPS. Mail Boxes Etc. I got a flier from Office Depot saying that you can ship UPS through them for the same price UPS charges at the their counter.
21 posted on 11/17/2001 5:29:23 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: Howlin
Yes I did. The issue for me is where is our country headed when a small mistake (the address, city and State were all exactly right) cost me double. We used to be a country where respect was important and mistakes were allowed.

That world is gone now. I want it back. I want Christian values. Like I said it cost them money and time to ship it back to me.

22 posted on 11/17/2001 5:30:26 PM PST by wwjdn
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To: wwjdn
Thank you for your inquiry. Commercial Counters and Authorized Shipping Outlets are independently owned shipping outlets that provide service to customers shipping packages. They are not UPS owned facilities. Please note, the Authorized Shipping Outlet is responsible for all aspects of the shipment transaction; you do not deal directly with UPS. Thank you for using UPS Internet Services.

Why do you feel it's UPS' fault if you clearly mislabled the package and dealt directly with a 3rd party interested in a profit?

It appears the business relationship is with MBE. NOT YOU! Take it up with MBE.

As for me, I'll continue to UPS for all my shipping as the alternatives are unacceptable. FedEx and USPS are horrible!

Think about it.
23 posted on 11/17/2001 5:30:30 PM PST by schaketo
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To: schaketo
See reply #21. Do you still feel the same way?
24 posted on 11/17/2001 5:31:58 PM PST by wwjdn
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To: wwjdn
I expected UPS to make allowances occasionally...but then that might get them return customers.

Until UPS has some real competition, I don't expect UPS to get nice. They don't need any new or return customers. UPS really hammers the people that ship with them. They know that there aren't a lot of reasonable alternatives. They got better when Roadway first started, but Roadway screwed that up. And UPS just got worse.

Also, if 3rd party shippers ate every package charge that was messed up, they wouldn't survive.

25 posted on 11/17/2001 5:32:40 PM PST by abner
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To: Moonman62
Thanks, you are exactly right, here it is: UPS buys MBE
26 posted on 11/17/2001 5:34:20 PM PST by wwjdn
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To: wwjdn
(the address, city and State were all exactly right)

the address, city and State are there to be read by the scanner AFTER the package has been sent to the ZIP CODE. If your zip was incorrect, your item never even made it to the correct state.

27 posted on 11/17/2001 5:34:24 PM PST by southern rock
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To: wwjdn
The issue for me is where is our country headed when a small mistake (the address, city and State were all exactly right) cost me double.

Let me tell you this one thing, and then no more: if YOUR making a mistake causes you to feel some of the things you have posted on this thread, and also causes you to blow this whole MISTAKE YOU MADE so much out of proportion, then I hope to God you never have something REALLY horrible happen to you. You won't make it.

You made a mistake; get over it.

28 posted on 11/17/2001 5:35:15 PM PST by Howlin
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To: wwjdn
I've got some bad news for you.

Mailboxes, Etc. is owned by UPS.

Like McDonald's, though, it's a franchise business. The location you did business with may be independently owned, but their franchise was purchased from UPS.

That said, though, you are the one responsible for giving them a correct address. And their entire system of distribution is set up to serve zip codes. So, if you have to pay double to get it to the right place, it's your tough luck.

On the other hand, it would've been no big deal for a UPS employee to recognize the problem when the driver returned the package, investigate the address, correct the zip code and re-direct the package. I once worked with UPS and can assure you that this very thing happens thousands of times a day.

Your experience was the exception that proves the rule. But it's still going to cost you...

29 posted on 11/17/2001 5:40:07 PM PST by okie01
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To: Howlin
Why do you waste my time and yours? Move on my friend...
30 posted on 11/17/2001 5:42:08 PM PST by wwjdn
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To: wwjdn
I love the "Big Brown Truck". I watch Dale Jarred race and I own UPS Stock. They are a great company. Have you tried to send anything through the USPS lately?
31 posted on 11/17/2001 5:47:53 PM PST by AZ Repub
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To: wwjdn
If I send a package USPS and I get the address wrong, they send it back to me. I correct the mistake, pay the postage and resend it.

Why should UPS pay for your mistake?

33 posted on 11/17/2001 5:49:45 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: wwjdn
I live in a small city 28,000 but we have at least 6 zip codes. I don't know if you realize it but UPS uses zip codes to deliver your precious package to its rightful recipent. If it went to the wrong place due to your mistake is that the fault of UPS also. I hate it when I screw up and it costs me money too but I don,t see any fault with UPS here. By the way I find fault with them over lots of other issues. They manage to mess up lots of stuff for my wifes company.
34 posted on 11/17/2001 5:52:34 PM PST by Newbomb Turk
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To: wwjdn
..."That world is gone now. I want it back. I want Christian values. Like I said it cost them money and time to ship it back to me"....

Undoubtedly, when YOUR incorrectly addressed package arrived at THEIR distribution center, their sorting equipment OR personnel determined that YOUR incorrectly noted ZIP CODE did not match with the USA ZIP CODES for that state or city.

YOU obviously prefer that USP stop their sorting/routing system, have a clerk making $____ and hour, take the package to some table area where they can look up the REAL ZIP CODE for that address OR perhaps they could look up the REAL ADDRESS for that ZIP CODE!!!

In all likelihood, when YOUR package was dumped from their sorting/routing sytem, it was stuck back on the truck's bin for the truck that PICKS UP AND DELIVERS TO Mail Boxes, Etc.

Would you have preferred 'they' just assume a fact not in evidence and have your package shipped from one location to another to another while your daughter awaits delivery and y'all start the 'checking for lost packages' routine?

Come on, now, and answer true....would you have been so thrilled with Customer Service that you would have come on Free Republic and written a vanity if the UPS clerk, when trying to figure out what YOU screwed up, would have called you up for the proper addressing, with UPS, of course, paying for both the clerk's time and the phone call?

I have no idea if what I suggested happened is in fact what happened; don't particularly care...I do object to a very mis-leading Title AND to someone who'd rather whine and blame someone else rather than think about what 'may' have happened and take full responsibility themselves.....you act as though UPS exists to MAKE YOU HAPPY.

35 posted on 11/17/2001 6:04:16 PM PST by Rowdee
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To: wwjdn
What you just posted is like saying that AMOCO is at fault because the guy at a station in keokuck was rude to you...

What a silly waste of time posting this...

36 posted on 11/17/2001 6:18:19 PM PST by No!
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To: wwjdn
This has got to be the most idiotic post of the year, and that's saying something. Get over yourself already. Why is is that the clueless don't realize their own cluelessness?*

The title of your thread makes this appear to be a business story. Instead, it's a moron's story.

__________

*The answer may be here:

Incompetents don't know they are incompetent
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_400895.html
Ananova
A psychologist who has studied incompetent people says they are the least likely to realise how useless they are. He reckons the skills needed for competence are the same ones needed to recognise it. The findings may explain why people with a poor sense of humour insist on telling bad jokes. Dr David Dunning studied dozens of poor students, many of them confident in their abilities, before reaching his conclusions. Dunning's assistant, graduate student Justin Kruger, says: "Not only do incompetents reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices but their incompetence robs them of the ability to realise it." The study is published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.
Story filed: 15:53 Monday 17th September 2001

37 posted on 11/17/2001 6:23:10 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: wwjdn
good christ why would you ever use them in the first place. The USPS is pretty much as reliable and costs 1/5 what UPS does.
38 posted on 11/17/2001 6:26:57 PM PST by SwankyC
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To: onyx
Think of the countless others who "occasionally" make similar mistakes. An incorrect address is hardly the fault of UPS. It's yours! You error cost UPS time, and "time" equals money!

How dare you tell someone it's *their* fault. How rude. How condescending. It's always someone elses' fault, don't you know that by now? (.../sarcasm)

How utterly refreshing.

39 posted on 11/17/2001 6:35:15 PM PST by usconservative
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To: wwjdn
Well, if you pump diesel fuel, instead of gasoline in your car and it does not run very well, you might have to pay a tow truck driver to get you and your car where you want to go. Aside from the addressess name, the ZIP CODE is the most important item you can put on an address label. Been out of touch for thirty years?
40 posted on 11/17/2001 6:41:26 PM PST by Cobra64
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