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How many jumped from the WTC towers?

Posted on 10/31/2001 3:16:12 PM PST by ErnBatavia

The media has seemed to suppress this (how many poor souls that felt compelled to jump from the burning towers) for whatever reason.

I, for one, would like to be armed with some sort of number who leaped to their certain deaths. I have a feeling, due to the "Vietnamization" taking place now, that this tidbit of data might come in handy.......right about the time some clown gets my '5 across the lips'.

Anybody have an idea as to the numbers involved here? Thanks in advance.


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To: ErnBatavia
I haven't read the thread, so I am just stating what I think. We need to take EVERY al-Qaeda and EVERY Taliban out. They will not negotiate with us.

We should be making MANY copies of pictures of these dear, precious American Citizens (and others) jumping, make MANY copies of pictures of Ground Zero, make MANY copies of pictures of the planes flying into the Towers, MANY copies of pictures of the Towers coming down, MANY copies of pictures of the Pentagon, and MANY copies of pictures of the Pennsylvania Field (with a caption "You failed your assigned mission on this one. Did your animals still get their 72 virgins,or they burning in HELL?" and drop the photos all over the caves we know about, the Taliban front lines, and what's left of the TERRORIST training camps.

GGGGGRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

121 posted on 10/31/2001 5:05:49 PM PST by Two Thirds Vote Aye
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To: blu
The 911 site (attacked911.tripod.com/) is horribly wonderful. If you think you might be becoming a bit jaded by all this, if you think the war is starting to drag on, if you think "Oh, gee, maybe we shouldn't be bombing those people" you need to see this site

These were similiar words to my famlee members when I emailed the site to them. It is a powerful site.

122 posted on 10/31/2001 5:06:32 PM PST by zlala
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To: RodgerD
I am bookmarking this thread as a CONSTANT reminder of what happened on September 11th. The passage of time dulls our memories, and the constant barrage of media propaganda is deliberately designed to temper our outrage toward our terrorist enemies. I am sick and tired of the socialist media trying to jerk tears of sympathy from Americans by showing news footage of "poor Afghanis" while censoring footage of our citizens plunging to their deaths from hundreds of feet in the air. I have almost reached the point where I loathe journalists more than the Taliban.



123 posted on 10/31/2001 5:13:04 PM PST by who knows what evil?
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To: zlala
I WILL NEVER, EVER, EVER FORGET!!! We have to be prepared to shove this information into the faces of anyone who begins to falter in this mission. We will never be free again until this war on terrorism is carried out to it's end - if there is one. As long as ONE of these sick pukes still walks the earth we are not free. Any spineless moron that feels sorry for those in Afghanistan should get a first class free ticket to join them. Even when it comes to Americans - especially when it comes to Americans -"you are either with us or you are with the terrorists". Rant over.....
124 posted on 10/31/2001 5:16:34 PM PST by Clintons Are White Trash
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To: not-an-ostrich
Officially, no children were present or killed at WTC or Pentagon.

I think you may be mistaken on this. I saw a story on one of the networks of a young African-American boy killed in the Pentagon. He had been at work with his father, the father left his office for another area of the pentagon (for a brief meeting or something)...the plane hit during the father's absence in the area of his office...killing the son, but the father survived!

125 posted on 10/31/2001 5:17:00 PM PST by republicandiva
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To: habs4ever
It's quite likely that from such a height, the victims have already hyperventilated and were unconscious when they hit the ground.

Thats the conventional wisdom, but somehow we never get a definitive answer from survivors of fatal falls (probably because they died).

I know that my uncle, who was covered head to toe in dust from the collapse, was crying like a baby after seeing the jumpers hit the ground.

He saw his friends head blown off in Vietnam,and received a Purple Heart in combat.

I found out 2 days ago that my Grandfathers step daughter was a victim.

The victims will be avenged in spades.

126 posted on 10/31/2001 5:19:08 PM PST by Rome2000
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To: habs4ever
It's quite likely that from such a height, the victims have already hyperventilated and were unconscious when they hit the ground.

Nice thought, but Albuquerque, NM is 4000 feet higher than this building and those people breath just fine.

Eaker

127 posted on 10/31/2001 5:24:01 PM PST by Eaker
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To: ErnBatavia
The horible number is any number greater than zero. This is a sad and fruitless poisting, IMHO. Any number is terrible. Speculation seems to be too emotive. Please!
128 posted on 10/31/2001 5:26:15 PM PST by jws3sticks
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To: Sandy
So, the assumption here is that those who jumped can be propped up for persuasive purposes more effectively than those who were burned, suffocated, or crushed. Doesn't make much sense to me.

'Propped up for pursuasive purposes'. What a charming phrase. You really have a way with words.

No, those who jumped are part of the horror story that was The World Trade Center on the morning of September 11th. The media sanitized that aspect of the tragedy so as not to infame the public any more than we already have been. Well, some of us, anyway.

Now, Afghan civilian casualities are being trumpeted and shoved in our faces by the Taliban and their eager liberal media shills here in the United States. A reminder of how some of our people died that morning in New York would be useful as a counter-measure against the medias ultra-short memory and concern over our enemies well-being.

Sometimes just saying 'They died' isn't enough. We need to remind the media and liberals in general that human beings had to jump to their deaths that morning because of the actions of some Arab manaics with a perverted view of America and a twisted idea of their religion and now we're supposed to get all mushy over some possible Afghan civilians who may have been killed or wounded by our bombs? I think not.

129 posted on 10/31/2001 5:28:17 PM PST by Jim Scott
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To: cajungirl
I think we need to think about the gruesome details, especially when the talking heads start to weep over the "innocents" we bomb.

Well, it seems to me that even the so-called innocents over there should know by now if they live close to a potential target. With that knowledge, whose fault is it if they do not get the heck out of there? It's not as if our bombers were seeking out civilian targets.

Oh, I forgot...according to the Taliban (an absolutely impeccable source, of course) we are seeking out civilian targets...(sarcasm off)

130 posted on 10/31/2001 5:30:46 PM PST by nobdysfool
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If the media won't show the public - why don't the next peace march FReepers take these pictures and make sure they are BIG and graphic enough for all to see.

Visuals are a lot more powerful than signs with words on them!!

131 posted on 10/31/2001 5:31:11 PM PST by LADY J
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To: Sandy
So, the assumption here is that those who jumped can be propped up for persuasive purposes more effectively than those who were burned, suffocated, or crushed. Doesn't make much sense to me.

You're right, they are all equally and unfortunately dead. But most of them did not have to die of their own volition. They were trapped. I think what horrifies us about the jumpers is the terrible choice they had to make: be burned to death or jump. They were forced to participate in their own murder. Ultimately, whether it is logical or not, people simply DO react more strongly to the images of the jumpers which means, yes, pictures of them CAN help to sustain the public's resolve to see this war through.

132 posted on 10/31/2001 5:32:06 PM PST by TexasKamaAina
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To: Rome2000
Thats the conventional wisdom, but somehow we never get a definitive answer from survivors of fatal falls (probably because they died).

I don't know about the passing out in the fall, but I did have a truly near fatal fall, and I will attest to the fact that I was left with only the memory before and a bit of the rush down and that actually had a very calm and dream like quality. Absolutely nothing after that for 4 days.

I have seen photos of folks falling from heights and they look damned scared, but I would suspect the experience is close to surreal, and that time may well seem to stop. The human body has a fair amount of 'shock insulation' built into it, and the pain usually only comes later, and the terror is probably largely cut off by the body focusing in on trying to survive. In the case of someone jumping off the WTC, there would be no pain on impact I am sure.

I extend to you my condolences and sympathies, but I do not find solace in the notion of doing more of the same unto others who had no real part in it.

133 posted on 10/31/2001 5:33:05 PM PST by Elihu Burritt
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It's probably time that we must do more than just talk about it and wring our hearts out about the 'tide of the war' turning against us.

This country has to stay reminded that the victims were OURS on OUR soil!

134 posted on 10/31/2001 5:34:13 PM PST by LADY J
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To: Jim Scott
That is what I was going to say but you beat me to it.

Eaker

PS: Did I mention that you said it SO much better than I could?

135 posted on 10/31/2001 5:34:18 PM PST by Eaker
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To: ErnBatavia
Fact: The first fireman to die hadn't even entered the Towers. He was struck by one of the jumpers.
136 posted on 10/31/2001 5:35:01 PM PST by aculeus
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To: TexasKamaAina
Well said!
137 posted on 10/31/2001 5:40:04 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: SamAdams76
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I really find the media's suppression of these images bothersome. My wife was watching the events unfold on TV that day and saw numerous shots of people trapped on the roof of both buildings. Some on TV were even wondering how the people where going to be rescued. Those pictures have never been shown again. I do not want the outrage of Sept. 11th to fade!

138 posted on 10/31/2001 5:40:27 PM PST by weef
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To: Rome2000
A friend in the military said the ruins on the first few days, with body parts strewn about, were way worse than anything he had seen in Bosnia. I also know someone who watched people jumping from his apartment (so he was high up too) and he still can't sleep a full night's sleep.
139 posted on 10/31/2001 5:51:06 PM PST by formernyer
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it is only with a forceful exertion of will that i am able
to not wish to possess the power to unleash the
weapons that would obliterate every trace of humanity in
afghanistan and most of the rest of the middle east.

and that's precisely the difference between us and them.

they either do not, or will not understand our philosophical/moral
struggle with the concept that that is not the course that our creator
would have us pursue.

god help me, but it's a titanic task not to hate every swarthy one of them...


140 posted on 10/31/2001 5:52:29 PM PST by tomkat
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