McVeigh's Ghost - Top Pentagon Officials Say Iraq Involved in OKC Bombing

US News & World Report/ Fox & Friends ^ | October 23, 2001 | Paul Bedard

[OKCSubmariner]

Some dismiss it as being akin to Elvis sightings, but a few top Defense officials think Oklahoma City bomber Tim McVeigh was an Iraqi agent. The theory stems from a never-before-reported allegation that McVeigh had allegedly collected Iraqi telephone numbers. Why haven't we heard this before about the case of the executed McVeigh? Conspiracy theorists in the Pentagon think it's part of a coverup.

[Soul Citizen]

10-4

[Interesting Times]

Thanks, I hadn't heard that. If you can find a link, please tack it onto this thread...

[thinden]

"CBS News just tried to get those tapes released, and Judge Matsche refused to unseal the sealed evidence."

1st I've heard of this. please flag me to any updates on this issue.

[WhiteGuy]

Hussaini served in Sadam Hussein's Republican Guard prior to the Gulf War and was brought to the US by Clinton along with around 4000 Iraqis after the gulf War. Some were relocated in OKC at two churches in OKC.

OK who was any info on how and why 4000 of our enemies were brought to this country?

[MizSterious]

I just posted the story HERE, for everyone's reading pleasure. (And I'm still working my way through this enormous thread!)

[jetson]

WHO WAS McVEIGH WORKING WITH! THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION

[Tymesup]

Thanks for the post bump.

[swampfx]

Was McVeigh an Agent of Iraq

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U.S. News:McVeigh's Ghost

[syriacus]

I think John Doe #2 is Mohammed Azmath who was taken off the train in Texas with his friend Khan on September 12th. The two men, who had been on a diverted flight september 12th, had shaved their bodies and were carrying box cutters, indications that they were intending to hijack a plane too. I have posted the pictures of the two men elsewhere and will post them here, in a few minutes, too.

[syriacus]

I'm not saying it wasn't curious. ..just that I did't see anything resembling proof.

I think that Mohammed Azmath, second guy from the left, is the same guy as John Doe#2 (the one on the far right) who is , who was supposedly seen with McVeigh around the time of the OKC bombing. I posted a response on 10/26 that said I thought he was. Was Tim McVeigh an agent of Iraq? . Since then I've posted a 'merged' picture that shows a slightly transparent picture of Doe #2 placed over the picture of Azmath.

More recent threads on FR, concerning anthrax and Azmath's former roommates in New Jersey, makes me even more certain that Mohammed Jaweed Azmath is John Doe#2.

HUNT NARROWS FOR ANTHRAX SOURCE [feds home in on 1 postal route]

INS holding 2 men seized at apartment (anthrax letters - HANDWRITING link?)

(L to R, 1. Khan, 2. Mohmmed Azmath, merged picture of Azmath andJohn Doe#2, John Doe #2) I think Azmath (Pic #2)--looks like John Doe #2, especially around the eyes, but he is a little older and thinner. An eyewitness thought John Doe looked like a Cuban, and this guy looks like an angry Ricky Ricardo.

Also Azmath (pic #2) was suspected of being associated with someone involved in the WTC Van-bombing. Sounds similar to the OKC truck bombing.

[snorkeler]

Your merged picture won't load for me however, you are gonna have to stretch this to make me agree that numbers 2 & 4 are the same guy. Just on the basis of the hairline alone which is a hard thing to disquise, not to mention the jaw.

I'm sorry. I don't trust artist's renderings that much. I know it always works on TV, but I rarely see any that truely resemble the perp in real life.

[syriacus]

Your merged picture won't load for me however,

If this doesn't work try going to

http://members.aol.com/alasdead/azmathmerge.jpg

Also I've started a thread on Azmath at

Families shattered over arrest (Azmath illegal in US 9 years- John Doe2?)

That is a Times of India article that explains Azmath came to the US illegally 9 years ago. There are links at that thread to two other TOI articles on Azmath and I've posted the 4 pictures again too.

[backhoe]

NDX

[WhiteGuy]

11/06/01 BUMP

[rwfromkansas]

bump again

[aristeides]

Are you saying McVeigh did not have those Iraqi phone numbers?

And, even if you're right about that, what do you make of the admissions of Czech government officials about Atta meeting Iraqi intelligence operatives in Prague (and I understand they are now saying two more of the hijackers did the same)? That was at least allegedly in the face of U.S. government pressure not to say as much.

[OKCSubmariner]

Even if one were to accept every reason and argument you put forward about adverse motives CFR types would have in pushing their agendas if the US were to move against Saddam, the question still remains, What should be done about Saddam and his poliferation of his weapons of mass destruction to different terror groups and nations around the world in your opinion?

Do you believe Saddam is a serious problem for the survival of US civilians and of mankind and the human race? If you do not think so, please explain why. If you think he is, then please make some suggestions as to what should be done to eliminate the problem with Saddam and his weapons of mass destruction?

Personally, I am not persuaded by CFR double think arguments to sway my opinions by fear one way or another, particularly when it comes to Iraq. Saddam and his weapons do not need to be protected by someone's fears of CFR machinations of nation building or oil exploitations.

Odd, but a lot of the most powerful and notable CFR members (Scowcroft,James Baker and Colin Powell)are currently trying to protect Saddam against US action to remove him from power. This is why I label this exercise about CFR motives as double think.

On one hand prominent CFR members (& Germany & France & the EU) take strong positions to protect Saddam and yet you put forward the position that the call to move against Saddam is a ploy of CFR types for nation building and more oil. There is a major contradiction here.

[MizSterious]

With all due respect, perhaps you should look before you leap also. I have seen enough good, strong evidence regarding the Iraqi connection to the OKC bombing that I can't help but think Pat is right on this, and you are wrong--dead wrong.

I'm not at all sure you've really examined the evidence as we have, since you seem to be coming into this story from the middle of the book, rather than at the beginning. Some of us who live here in this area have seen and heard much that would discredit your CFR theory. We've been into this from the first word on the first page. There are even some who don't live here who have followed the matter closely, and their (often tireless) investigations have been invaluable.

My suggestion to you is to get up to speed before tossing out this excellent investigation work. It's possible the answers won't agree with your CFR theory, but if you want to know the truth of a thing, you must follow where the evidence leads, even if it goes against what you thought you knew.

A good place to start is with some of the old articles on the subject written by OKCSubmariner. Don't stop at just reading the articles: be sure to examine the commentary on the threads as well. Often important details are added there by OKCSubmariner, BlueDogDemo and many others.