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ANTHRAX AT CAPITOL NOT WEAPONIZED / ENHANCED
FOX NEWS CHANNEL | 10/14/01 | Yankee

Posted on 10/17/2001 9:25:32 AM PDT by Yankee

Carl Cameron just reported that the ANTHRAX that was mailed to Daschle was natural spore, NOT enhanced, weaponized or modified in any way.

The Senators have all just been briefed by experts that it was potent, in that there was large number of spores by volume of powder, but that it was, quote, "Garden Variety" spores.

It was not the "floating variety that could spread through venitilation systems" that has been reported since yesterday.

Looks like Daschle caused a greater panic than warranted.

He's having a press conference in a few minutes, evidently to "revise and extend his remarks" from yesterday.


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To: Paradox
It would help if our officials would define the terms "weaponized, modified, genetically engineered, and natural" for the press.

What I gathered from watching Daschle's press conference is the Anthrax is a Natural strain, but the samples found in the Senate building were PURE Anthrax spores. Is the Anthrax released so far a naturally occurring strain? I gather it hasn't been genetically tampered with, but getting pure Anthrax of any color would be impossible without very strict lab control.

As far as weaponized, what does that mean? Getting the correct size spore to avoid clumping would be necessary in a weaponized strain, but is that enough to call the strain weaponized?

Our officials need to define the terms, and communicate exactly what those terms mean. JMO.

Btw, the Fort Detrick guy is not someone I trust to tell the whole truth. If this strain is common, as he said, why haven't we identified it yet, with hundreds of strains on file?

61 posted on 10/17/2001 10:31:28 AM PDT by keri
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To: Yankee
They should check those nasal swabs from DashRats staffers for cocaine while they have them. I'll bet at least 90% test positive.
62 posted on 10/17/2001 10:33:23 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: mlo
"Sorry, being skeptical and rational works both ways."

mlo, the only thing that I am doing is sitting back and watching things develop. I was in the military for 25 years. There were times of boredom and times of excitement. I think these times are exciting. But that is the military mind. The civilian mind works differently. These things do not frighten me.

63 posted on 10/17/2001 10:34:59 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: keri
Btw, the Fort Detrick guy is not someone I trust to tell the whole truth. If this strain is common, as he said, why haven't we identified it yet, with hundreds of strains on file?

IMHO you answered your own question.

It is common, ie: not enhanced, because it is succeptable to all the antibiotics that were tested against it.

There are thousands, not hundreds of strains on file, therefore it takes time to analyze and identify the strain.

64 posted on 10/17/2001 10:39:46 AM PDT by Yankee
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To: Jmouse007
Just read your #57, and totally agree. We are under attack by state sponsored terrorism. You are absolutely correct when saying the ramifications of that are huge. Our leaders are doing us no favor by down-playing this, IMO. It struck me while watching Daschle's conference that our leaders are determined to only feed us bits and pieces, on their time schedule. How nice.
65 posted on 10/17/2001 10:39:51 AM PDT by keri
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To: keri
Regardless of the labels used, the most important issue is whether or not the strain of anthrax is resistent to the common antibiotics. "Weaponized" anthrax would almost certainly be penicillin-resistent, if not also resistent to the tetracycline family (doxcycline, etc.). The good news is that *all* of the anthrax tested so far is sensitive to *all* of the common antibiotics.
66 posted on 10/17/2001 10:42:09 AM PDT by hookville
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To: Loopy
I suspect that the administration doesn't want to declare this to be aerosol or weapon-grade anthrax until all other possibilities are exhausted. That would clearly indicate a foreign bio attack, which would require us to either invoke or abandon our stated WMD policy.
67 posted on 10/17/2001 10:42:25 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: steve-b
That would clearly indicate a foreign bio attack, which would require us to either invoke or abandon our stated WMD policy.

And by downplaying its weaponized nature you don't have to do either. Hence my point.

68 posted on 10/17/2001 10:45:23 AM PDT by Loopy
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To: Jmouse007
1. They have had more than enough time to analyze the Fl Anthrax but have not reported the results.

How long does it take to fully analyze anthrax.. anyone?

2. The Anthrax in FL was not "regular Anthrax" but weaponized Anthrax. How do we know this? Because it was INHALATION ANTHRAX.

Inhalation anthrax simply means the spores were inhaled. This happens to sheep workers all the time from NATURAL ANTHRAX. Now, if you concentrate this, then the chances of getting the actual disease go up. Weaponizes means something specific, not just "inhalation anthrax".

3 The Anthrax that was used to attack Daschel was also inhalation Anthrax. How do we know? Because of how many people were effected and by the fact that it is appearing in the ventilation system.

Read the preceding. Inhalation <> Weaponized

We need ORiley's NO SPIN ZONE and we need it now.

Yes, No spin from EITHER side. You see, you are "spinning" just as much as "they" are.

We are under attack and the terrorists are using State sponsored bio weapons against us.

This could certainly be the case, and I suspect that it is.

People don't want to face up to this because of the ramifications =

Yup, and I have heard this reason used for the Alien coverup as well... I think we under and overestimate the population in general. The ones who are really freaked out are the media, not the PIGS (People In General).

69 posted on 10/17/2001 10:45:55 AM PDT by Paradox
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To: Theresa
Also reported in the NYT and WP.

The print version of today's NYT story by Stephen Engelberg and Judith Miller quoted no one more specific than "government officials" and "experts." In addition, one "scientist" who was anonymously quoted was asked about the source of the mailing, assuming it was highly weaponized.

70 posted on 10/17/2001 10:49:27 AM PDT by untenured
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To: mlo
What's the matter? Disappointed?

LOL! It sure sounds like some morons around here are hoping this is really bad.

I like how he accuses Cameron of spouting the "government" line, when the initial story was FROM the government.

I saw the term used yesterday referring to these people as "Freeptards". I think it fits.

71 posted on 10/17/2001 10:57:23 AM PDT by TomB
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To: Jmouse007
fact that it is appearing in the ventilation system.

Where is the source stating this is a fact. All I've heard is speculation. I don't doubt that it is true, but I've not heard anyone say this is a fact.

We are indeed under attack, but the way the media is handling this is like the old game "Gossip". A reporter files a report based on someone's speculation, the next reporter leaves out the speculation part and suddenly you've got two sources. Voila! Confirmation!

72 posted on 10/17/2001 11:04:17 AM PDT by 6ppc
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To: Jmouse007
1. They have had more than enough time to analyze the Fl Anthrax but have not reported the results.

They will not announce the results because there is an investigation going on. Analyzing the strains from the different locations will allow them to determine if the attacks are related or the result of different sources.

2. The Anthrax in FL was not "regular Anthrax" but weaponized Anthrax. How do we know this? Because it was INHALATION ANTHRAX.

That comment shows you know nothing about this subject.

First of all, the term "weaponized" generally refers to two things. One, the spores are refined so they are all of a uniform, proper size and can be spread in the air easily, maximizing the number of people infected. Second, the anthrax can be genetically modified or hybridized so as to be antibiotic resistant.

Both or either of these can be done to cause it to be "weapinized".

Next, anthrax is anthrax. The only thing that determines inhalational from cutaneous is where the spores contact the body. The bacteria itself is identical.

3 The Anthrax that was used to attack Daschel was also inhalation Anthrax. How do we know? Because of how many people were effected and by the fact that it is appearing in the ventilation system.

Considering the ventilation story hasn't been confirmed, we should wait to see.

73 posted on 10/17/2001 11:18:02 AM PDT by TomB
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To: hookville
Very good news, but we are still being attacked by terrorists who have something other than ordinary Anthrax for research purposes. 1)They (whomever "they" are)do have the technology and equipment to "modify" Anthrax spores for the maximum inhalation effect. Woolsorter's disease is not that common for a reason. 2)It's hard to imagine a way to get totally pure Anthrax without millions and millions of dollars of high tech equipment, and people trained in it's use. That implies a state, not the good ol' boys.
74 posted on 10/17/2001 11:20:42 AM PDT by keri
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To: Paradox
Sorry Paradox, I see you answered Jmouse just before I did. I should have read the whole thread before replying, but when people say things that are so abjectly wrong, it is hard to keep quiet.

Your post is absolutely correct.

75 posted on 10/17/2001 11:22:09 AM PDT by TomB
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To: TomB
Sorry Paradox, I see you answered Jmouse just before I did. I should have read the whole thread before replying, but when people say things that are so abjectly wrong, it is hard to keep quiet.

No need to apologize, its good to have "backup". And I agree with you about the "abjectly wrong" stuff. I have a hard enough time dealing with whacked out liberals, its a shame to see conservatives acting in the same vein.

76 posted on 10/17/2001 11:34:17 AM PDT by Paradox
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To: keri
Very good news, but we are still being attacked by terrorists who have something other than ordinary Anthrax for research purposes. 1)They (whomever "they" are)do have the technology and equipment to "modify" Anthrax spores for the maximum inhalation effect. Woolsorter's disease is not that common for a reason. 2)It's hard to imagine a way to get totally pure Anthrax without millions and millions of dollars of high tech equipment, and people trained in it's use. That implies a state, not the good ol' boys.

Not necessarily. The reason Woolsorter's disease is uncommon is not the "purity" of the bacteria, but the number. In a given day someone involved in the wool business will inhale up to 700 anthrax spores, however, in order to become infected, it is necessary to inhale anywhere from 8,000 to 10,000 spores. It has nothing to do with "purity".

I would also add that if the first location had contained "weaponized" Anthrax, you would have seen much more than one death.

Also, obtaining millions of spores is not necessarily difficult, actually, culturing antrax is fairly easy. Given time, you can grow all you want. It then comes down to delivery.

77 posted on 10/17/2001 11:40:09 AM PDT by TomB
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To: Yankee
Good news.
78 posted on 10/17/2001 11:44:37 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: newsperson999
I still say the spread of those spores prolly had a lot to do with the envelope.

News reports said the envelope was 'heavily' taped.

The unsuspecting Daschle staffer probably had to apply extra force to open the envelope, thus the contents got shaken up and went "POOF."

79 posted on 10/17/2001 11:51:58 AM PDT by gumbo
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To: Yankee
That's a good point, but quite a few people are looking at this strain out of the hundreds on file, including the professor that identified the non-infectious strain that Aum Shinrikyo used in Japan. I'm not saying you are wrong, just that I'm doubtful this is "common."

We don't know if it's common, because the strain hasn't been identified. At least one researcher thinks it may never be identified.

Maybe the Fort Detrick guys are using "common" and "naturally occurring" interchangeably. I don't know, but I wish they'd use more precise terms, and stop treating us like we're proles.

80 posted on 10/17/2001 12:04:33 PM PDT by keri
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