Posted on 10/17/2001 9:25:32 AM PDT by Yankee
Carl Cameron just reported that the ANTHRAX that was mailed to Daschle was natural spore, NOT enhanced, weaponized or modified in any way.
The Senators have all just been briefed by experts that it was potent, in that there was large number of spores by volume of powder, but that it was, quote, "Garden Variety" spores.
It was not the "floating variety that could spread through venitilation systems" that has been reported since yesterday.
Looks like Daschle caused a greater panic than warranted.
He's having a press conference in a few minutes, evidently to "revise and extend his remarks" from yesterday.
The key to understanding the danger, experts said, is in the size of the particles. The anthrax sent to Mr. Daschle, government officials said, was finely milled so that it would float a considerable distance on the smallest of air currents."
HOWEVER: Just now FOX reported that the anthrax in Dashle's office fell on the floor and scattered and for that reason it infected a lot of people. I guess because it infected a lot of people someone jumped to the conclusion that it was the fine particle stuff but they did NOT know it had fallen to the ground. So it's just garden variety, but because it fell to the ground AND spread in the air it dispersed to a large area.
I disagree with everything you just wrote. But what you wrote is the standard M.O. for the administration shills that inhabit FR. You mock people who see what is obvious and tell us that what we see with our own eyes are lies.
"Everyone" is not lying to us. The GOVERNMENT is lying to us. The newsmedia is just reporting the lies. You repeat a lie often enough and it becomes truth. "It's all about sex" ring a bell with you?.
I think the government knows exactly what its doing. Its minimizing these attacks so as to avoid the public outcry and demand for use of our own WMD's.
Finally, the WTC was not a government plot. That is clear. While OKC may have been and Waco may have been, 5,000 dead is too much for any "Reichstag Fire".
Sorry but we are in HEAVY DUTY SPIN mode to keep the sheeple from panicking.
Dr. S
Did you notice how well he did on his last big address....and the tv commentators/analysts were the ones stumbling and stuttering afterwards. Sweet justice.
"What's the matter? Disappointed?"Just skeptical. How about you? Do you believe everything you are told by these people?
Then you were just as skeptical when they first said it was weaponized right? Sorry, being skeptical and rational works both ways.
I submit that the spin machine has now had time to react and is denying this weaponized anthrax for a simple reason. That is that Weaponized Anthrax could have only come from one source and that is a source that GWB and Colin Powell have no interest in attacking now, namely Iraq. To do so would cause the Muslim world to claim that the USA is on a vendetta against muslims adn we know how carefully GWB et. al. have been to avoid hurting their feelings.
You mean you did before?
I am sure you are correct. In fact, I heard Rush, just a few minutes ago, suggest the use of neutron weapons. He seems to think Iraq is responsible. We shall see.
enquirer - "my wife rented a condo to a terrorist and now my employees are dying from anthrax"
abc - "employee's kid contracts anthrax on walk thru newsroom."
nbc - "nation's leading anchor on cipro for anthrax"
c-span - "congress breathing anthrax through ventillation system"
The problem with your conclusion is that it does not wash.
1. They have had more than enough time to analyze the Fl Anthrax but have not reported the results.
2. The Anthrax in FL was not "regular Anthrax" but weaponized Anthrax. How do we know this? Because it was INHALATION ANTHRAX.
3 The Anthrax that was used to attack Daschel was also inhalation Anthrax. How do we know? Because of how many people were effected and by the fact that it is appearing in the ventilation system.
We need ORiley's NO SPIN ZONE and we need it now. I am not saying any of thi to create panic, but we must face up to reality. We are under attack and the terrorists are using State sponsored bio weapons against us. People don't want to face up to this because of the ramifications =
1. They could potentially kill thousands, perhaps millions of us using Anthrax, Small Pox, etc...
2. In order to deter and respond to these attacks, we will of necessity have to go bio or nuclear in return in order to have them get the message. Results = real, not cosmetic war in which millions will die, possibly escalating into a WWIII scenario. But the truth is: WE ARE AT WAR, a war we did not start or seek. If we do not kill them first, they will kill us because that is their stated goal.
Dr. S
The problem with your conclusion is that it does not wash.
1. They have had more than enough time to analyze the Fl Anthrax but have not reported the results.
2. The Anthrax in FL was not "regular Anthrax" but weaponized Anthrax. How do we know this? Because it was INHALATION ANTHRAX.
3 The Anthrax that was used to attack Daschel was also inhalation Anthrax. How do we know? Because of how many people were effected and by the fact that it is appearing in the ventilation system.
We need ORiley's NO SPIN ZONE and we need it now. I am not saying any of thi to create panic, but we must face up to reality. We are under attack and the terrorists are using State sponsored bio weapons against us. People don't want to face up to this because of the ramifications =
1. They could potentially kill thousands, perhaps millions of us using Anthrax, Small Pox, etc...
2. In order to deter and respond to these attacks, we will of necessity have to go bio or nuclear in return in order to have them get the message. Results = real, not cosmetic war in which millions will die, possibly escalating into a WWIII scenario. But the truth is: WE ARE AT WAR, a war we did not start or seek. If we do not kill them first, they will kill us because that is their stated goal.
Dr. S
To: Sabertooth
"We really need to get a handle on our terms here. What does "tested positive for exposure" mean? Do they have anthrax, or just the antibodies?"
Neither -- yet. One day is insufficient for either antibodies or an active infection to develop. "Tested positive for exposure" apparently means that spores were detected from nasal swabs and that PCR-based DNA testing for the genome of Bacillus anthracis likely is underway.
It is almost certain that the latter could be completed in 24 hours, given that the number of PCR (polymerase chain reaction) replication cycles would be many, given the likely small number of spores recovered. In addition, hybridization with appropriate DNA probes takes some time as well, as does reading and analyzing the result.
The assessment that the anthrax organisms in question are the result of "super science" is, IMO, overblown. If indeed the inoculum in question consists of small-sized spores, it is likely that they were derived by isolating individual bacteria (i.e., clones of a single bacterial cell) that exhibits the production of small spores in contrast to other bacteria present in the starter culture -- which could be isolated from "natural" sources.
Such isolation and selection procedures have been around for decades and a highly sophisticated laboratory, military or otherwise, would not be necessary to produce the bacterial spores in question. indeed, the aforementioned technology, for the most part, is encompassed in laboratory exercises taught in undergraduate bacteriology or microbial genetics courses. A familiar example is the antibiotic susceptibility testing done every day in hospital laboratories around the world. In this example, bacteria that are insensitive to the antibiotics being tested can be selected for cloning on the basis that they are present and alive in the presence of a given antibiotic.
Accordingly, a highly sophisticated laboratory, military or otherwise, would not be necessary to produce the bacterial spores in question.
This, of course, does not rule out the possibilty that the Bacillus anthracis in question were in fact genetically modified for antibiotic resistance. If the isolates from the Caitol Hill staffers are shown to be resistant to ciprofloxin (Cipro), the designation of "weapons-grade" truly would be appropriate.
The First Amendment notwithstanding, it would be appropriate for the news media would police itself and leave the reporting of this and other events to responsible and well-informed reproters with graduate degrees in the general areas in which they work.
The public deserves better than reportage by the uninformed.............
149 posted on 10/17/01 8:48 AM Pacific by tracer
So you see, sports fans, the Government Experts have reversed themselves, plain and simple. Yesterday the anthrax was a "weaponized" product of "military laboratories," and today it's "garden variety."
And they wonder why people don't trust the Government, the Government Experts, and The Media..........
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