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"Bin Laden hears Atta screaming his name in Hell"
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Posted on 09/29/2001 9:28:57 PM PDT by ChinaThreat

Osama, do you feel the rope tightening?

Osama, do you hear Mohomad Atta screaming your name in the pitts of hell?

Osama, do you sleep while knowing the Snakeaters are waiting outside your cave?

Osoma, can you enjoy your last meals knowing your death is minutes away. Can you feel the ghosts of your victims anticipating your arrival on the other side?

Osoma, can you see the executioner's grin as the hood is placed over your head? Do you question your faith as the trap door squeeks under neath your booted feet.

Osoma, we are coming .... and we are going to send you to hell. And your grave will be spat on by millions of Americans while we subject your people to western ideologies, Chrisianity and we will build more bases on your precious Saudi Arabia to defile Mecca and Medina. And long after your gone your descendants will eath Hot Dogs and your daugters dres like Britney Spears. Burn in hell you maggott!


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To: parsifal
In Atta own heart and mind, do you think he saw his actions as sinful? Or very sacred and religious?

It doesn't matter what Atta thought. His actions will be judged by God Almighty when the time of Judgement comes.  And Atta hasn't seen Jesus because Atta is dead.  The Scriptures say when you're dead you have no thoughts or memory, you're dead until the resurrection.  Let the Muslims make a mockery of that piece of crap called the Koran to get it to say whatever they want it to.  If you're going to use Scripture know what you're talking about.  It's not a book to prove whatever insanity somebody wants to believe. 

101 posted on 09/30/2001 1:29:03 AM PDT by jwh_Denver
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To: Orion and Theresa
I forgot. The scriptures of where the soul lives until joined with the body if unsaved are Lk:16-19-31; 2 Pet. 2:9; Rev. 20:11-15; Isa. 14:9. The soul is immortal, it never dies whether we are believers or unbelievers. It is almost 3:30 and I'm having a hard time getting all the words down right. I'm going to have to quit now.

Theresa, I believe you have a heart for God and long to be what He wants you to be and to live eternally with Him, but you have been taught some things that are not taught by God. I hope you will study His word about salvation because it is very important you have a clear understanding of this and that you know for certain for your own sake and for your friends and loved ones.

102 posted on 09/30/2001 1:33:28 AM PDT by maranatha
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To: maranatha
"But every soul alive since Christ's sacrifice are judged by whether they accept Him as Lord and are born again. "

Well gosh. All the poor souls who the apostles did not get to after they went into the world to preach the gospel are doomed if one follows your logic. It took centuries to spread the gospel and I expect it has still not reached some people even today. So I don't accept this premise exactly as you have stated it. Paul himself spoke of those who not having heard the gospel "follow the law that is written on their hearts." It is called in theology Natural Law. Noah I think was one of the ones "in prison" to whom Jesus preached when he went to the underworld.

103 posted on 09/30/2001 1:33:38 AM PDT by Theresa
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To: maranatha
"No Christian would say you can reject the gift of salvation Christ offers us and still spend eternity with him in heaven and with Him as He rules on earth. Can't happen. "

I agree with this. Everyone in heaven has accepted Christ.

104 posted on 09/30/2001 1:47:21 AM PDT by Theresa
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To: Theresa
Let's put it this way. Do you think there are many people in the town or state you live in who have never heard of Jesus or the Bible? Now, say you know a really good person (and there may be thousands like her in your town) and she is kind, helps people, goes to a church, and knows there is a God. But, that is it. She never knew Jesus. She never had sorrow for her sins, repented, or gave her life to Jesus and received Him as Lord of her life. Is she saved as far as you are concerned? Does God say you are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ?
105 posted on 09/30/2001 1:49:48 AM PDT by maranatha
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To: Theresa
We posted simultaneously. The Muslim with a strong faith in God as told to him in the Koran, (not the same) can never be in heaven then, right?
106 posted on 09/30/2001 1:52:41 AM PDT by maranatha
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To: parsifal
What this tells me is that the "mind-set" and "attitude" is more important than the things we do. Atta's act was very bad, but his "attitude" was very holy. He prayed. He believed in Jehovah/Allah. His religious faith dictated that he should kill to protect his faith and people. In the Old Testament we see the same exhortation given to the Jews. He honored his father and his preachers. They are false prophets, but I don't think he knew that. Therefore, I think it more likely he is in Heaven than Hell.

Insanity. The Koran is adamant that innocent people shall not be hurt, and is especially adamant than you shall make no orphans. So by Bin Ladin's own faith, he is damned.

He is also damned in the Jewish faith, since the one sin you may not atone for is murder.

And if you tell me in the Chtistian faith, all he had to do is believe in some guy in history and he gets a pass into heaven, then I would never want to be in that heaven.

107 posted on 09/30/2001 1:58:49 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: maranatha
We posted simultaneously. The Muslim with a strong faith in God as told to him in the Koran, (not the same) can never be in heaven then, right?

This smug self-importance is one of the main turnoffs of Christianity.

108 posted on 09/30/2001 2:00:06 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: maranatha
"She never knew Jesus."

I may be a little bit different in my approach. I believe that Jesus is God because it makes sense to me. It's logical. The whole story of creation and God's plan and all of it as expressed in the bible, it just makes sense. I know I have faith, thank God for that gift. And I may be wrong but faith is kind of equal in my mind to what makes sense. And all I can say is that it makes no sense that God would abandon people who lived good lives and yet never heard of him or his son or did not understand what they heard. After all the trouble he went to with his son dying on the cross, it seems like to me he would judge people on a case by case basis. And I think I am pretty much in accordance with Catholic teaching about this. I will brush up just to make sure I have not strayed and taken too liberal a line.

Oh man is it late! Nite nite all.

109 posted on 09/30/2001 2:13:20 AM PDT by Theresa
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To: Lazamataz
Your displeasure is with what God of the Bible says, not with me. I am assured by His word, that I know Him, that I am His child, that I am forgiven, I know my future with Him, and put my total faith and trust in Him and His word. I don't have to guess about some secret game plan God has up his sleeve when I die, and that it will be something different than what He says. Yes, I am totally sure. Smug is your nasty little word.

It's amazing. A person can say, look in the Bible and read this chapter or type it on the screen, and a person like you gets all bent out of shape because he doesn't agree with what God says because through his own brilliant reasoning of what he thinks God should be like he doesn't agree with it (although God says it) and thinks the person who showed it to him is all screwed up. Amazing.

110 posted on 09/30/2001 2:15:35 AM PDT by maranatha
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To: Theresa
bumplink for the night.
111 posted on 09/30/2001 2:25:12 AM PDT by My back yard
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To: maranatha
Your displeasure is with what God of the Bible says, not with me.

Luckily, I don't believe in a word of the New Testament, so I am certainly not filled with "displeasure with what God ... says". And I assure you that it is your very attitude that turned me off of Christianity so many years ago.

I'm no fan of any religion what claims its got the only way to salvation. Judiasm is quite clear that it does not consider itself the sole path to G-d. That, to me, is one of its greatest draws -- the lack of smugness.

112 posted on 09/30/2001 2:26:19 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz
"Insanity. The Koran is adamant that innocent people shall not be hurt, and is especially adamant than you shall make no orphans. So by Bin Ladin's own faith, he is damned."

Good point. But he for some reason or another went off on a tangent. And by his letter he did not seem to be aware of it. It's like he thought he was doing good! That's what is so troubling. How in the heck does such a thing happen? AT some point did he come to a crossroad, a turning point where he willfully suppressed the parts of the Koran that condem everything he did? We will never know in this life.

113 posted on 09/30/2001 2:28:17 AM PDT by Theresa
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To: Theresa
Good point. But he for some reason or another went off on a tangent. And by his letter he did not seem to be aware of it. It's like he thought he was doing good! That's what is so troubling. How in the heck does such a thing happen?

Evil can distort good words, is how. We saw how the Clintons turned many good laws into weapons against the common people, and especially against their enemies.

You said you were going to sleep! Liar! ;^)

114 posted on 09/30/2001 2:31:49 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz
assure you that it is your very attitude that turned me off of Christianity so many years ago.

You just proved my point exactly. Jesus says, no one comes to the Father but by me, and then explains why in thousands of words. What Jesus says in the Bible is what you you don't like because He says there is only one way. But, you say what turns you off to Christianity is MY ATTITUDE of believing there is only one way. Amazing.

115 posted on 09/30/2001 2:38:06 AM PDT by maranatha
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To: maranatha
Whatever. You believe as you will, and give me the same respect. Good night.
116 posted on 09/30/2001 2:39:58 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz
"Evil can distort good words, is how."

Yes. Yes and yes.

117 posted on 09/30/2001 2:43:49 AM PDT by Theresa
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To: wayne_shrugged
"...I wonder which one will be the "virgin" for the other? :-]..."

They'll alternate, except on odd Fridays, when it will be Abdul the 275 pound eunuch's turn to have a go at both of them.

Abdul has a little trouble finishing what he begins, however, so THESE sessions will tend to run a little longer than Bin Laden and Atta-boy would prefer.

118 posted on 09/30/2001 7:49:41 AM PDT by DWSUWF
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To: Arthur McGowan
"Then how do you make any sense of the Last Judgment, where Jesus sends the people who did good works to heaven, and the people who failed to do good works to hell?"

I don' think in Christian Ideology there is any taboo against good works. The point is that "good works" or acts do not "automatically" get you into heaven the same way you become an Eagle Scout or 32nd degree Mason. Christians believe in the personal intercession of Jesus.

Some the believe the intercession is very rigid and formulaic. You must believe in Jesus or you go to hell even if you never heard of Jesus. I don't think that view makes much sense. It may be right for all I know, but to me it don't make much sense.

Other believe the personal intercession is more of a subjective judgment thing. What are you in your heart. Sheep or goat. Either way, though, the good works, while not frowned upon, do not work outside some form of intercession.

119 posted on 09/30/2001 9:35:27 AM PDT by parsifal
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To: Lazamataz
I never said that I believe it. Frankly, I have a lot of problems with some of the Christian tenets. But like the Republicans and Democrats, they have certain "planks" in their platform. My analysis is simply that according to their very own beliefs, Atta is most likely not currently roasting in hell as they might desire.
120 posted on 09/30/2001 9:49:15 AM PDT by parsifal
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