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Speaker Hastert Considering National ID Card
Hannity and Colmes, FoxNews | 9-24-01 | Me

Posted on 09/24/2001 2:42:22 AM PDT by DLfromthedesert

Congressman David Dreier appeared on "Hannity and Colmes" Sunday night. When asked about the National ID Card, he stated that Speaker Dennis Hastert was considering it, and that under present circumstances it could not be ruled out.


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To: Zorobabel
Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated. The time resist this was when they started using social security numbers as a form of ID. Now a child recieves one at birth, or shortly

For a real depressing outlook on reality, read Garet Garrett's The Revolution Was (1938). The America that was ... is no more. The battle is new ... yet many are still fighting the old battles, never realizing they are swinging at ghosts.

61 posted on 09/24/2001 7:50:34 AM PDT by VoodooEconomist
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To: DLfromthedesert
Reply #294 @:

< http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3bae743e114f.htm >

That's how I see this entire matter, DL.

BTW; good morning 2u2.

62 posted on 09/24/2001 8:02:56 AM PDT by Landru
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To: DLfromthedesert
The simple answer is, I am not state or government property!

I would rot in prison before accepting a National I.D. Card!

If this ever comes to pass you can just change the name of the country from USA to USSA.

Nobody has mentioned the next step of incramental personal destruction, the issuance of the UN ID card.

63 posted on 09/24/2001 8:02:57 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: DLfromthedesert
Pay VERY close attention to the "solutions" being offered by those in government: They are NOT talking about REMOVING the limitations they have ALREADY placed on our individual Second Amendment right to DEFEND OURSELVES. They are beginning to talk about FURTHER RESTRICTIONS on our liberties and MORE GOVERNMENT! More GOVERNMENT? The same GOVERNMENT that failed to ENFORCE EXISTING IMMIGRATION LAWS? The same GOVERNMENT that knew foreign nationals from known terrorist states with ties to bin Laden were attending flight schools here and did nothing. The same GOVERNMENT that failed so miserably in its obligation to protect citizens that 7,000 of them died like cattle in a slaughterhouse on September 11th? THAT GOVERNMENT??

Is this the same GOVERNMENT NOW ON THE VERGE OF PROPOSING NATIONAL ID CARDS?? </font color=red>

64 posted on 09/24/2001 8:26:23 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: DLfromthedesert
I've often thought that, if it happens, the country will be sold into fullblown socialism not by the Democrats and the left, but by so-called "conservatives." They're the only ones who could do it. Wolves in sheeps' clothing all.
65 posted on 09/24/2001 8:33:40 AM PDT by KillerWabbit
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To: DLfromthedesert
As far as I'm concerned these control freaks can "consider" it all they want, but if they try to foist it on me, they will quite literally have to jail me (or kill me) first.

We'll see what happens.

66 posted on 09/24/2001 8:38:34 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: DLfromthedesert
With all these new legislation proposals...limiting our freedom and liberties, if they become reality....I will then have NO choice but to question everything coming out of DC is questionable.
67 posted on 09/24/2001 8:40:40 AM PDT by shield
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To: Gracey
Another way you can look at it is, it could be a way to SAVE your freedoms.

No, it couldn't. The connection between forcing regular American citizens to register their ID info with the gov't and to carry little cards, and stopping terrorism, is nonexistent.

Just because these people put the phrase "...to fight terrorism" at the end of their sentences doesn't mean that what they are proposing would actually help fight terrorism.

I mean two can play that game: "Every person whose name begins with the letter 'G' shall have a hole drilled all the way through his/er head....to fight terrorism." See what I mean?

Right now we have all sorts of ID papers anyway. We jump through the hoops and carry them like good little subjects. Terrorists just forge them or get them on the black market.

The same would be true of Nat'l ID card: we obey the masters and jump through the hoops, while terrorists just forge them or get them on the black market. Yes, it would be more difficult - but not impossible. In fact the greater difficult involved would make the black market so lucrative that illegal ID trade would suddenly become a huge problem, demanding resources and manpower and (eventually) a new fed agency to fight it. In the meantime, the rest of us all have our bio stats in a centralized government database.

I wonder if the government would find....other uses for that data? You know: "We can't have that data just sitting there, going to waste! We may as well use it!"

No thanks.

It's probably a way to cull out the non-legals.

Are you kidding? No, it is not. Do you honestly believe our politicians have any intent on culling out illegals? Why haven't they done so then? They could do so right now.

The reason is politics. Democrats like having additional potential voters. Republicans don't want to appear "racist". That's it. These are the same people who have intentionally let your country flood with illegals for selfish reasons - then some illegals commit mass murder - and their "solution" is to force you to get an ID card? Give me a break.

PS: Oh yeah I have one more argument against the ID card for you. I will not submit to one. I promise. The government will therefore have to throw me in jail, or kill me. So, consider that. If you support this policy, you support throwing innocent average people like me in jail (or killing them) if they won't allow themselves to be forced by people working for The Government to carry a little plastic magnetic-stripe card. Think about it, and whether you think that is worth it. Or moral.

68 posted on 09/24/2001 8:49:34 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dick Bachert
Yes!!!! That's EXACTLY the point!!!
69 posted on 09/24/2001 8:51:38 AM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: angkor
"So in addition to being an insane solution to a nonexistant problem; in addition to being an incredibly intrusive infringement on American values and liberties; in addition to there being no such thing as an "unforgeable" ID document; in addition to all of that, the impossible logistics of background checking you as a "true American" worthy of such a card, and the insanity of actually producing and distributing such a document to 250+ million Americans, well.... I think it's clear that the entire notion is absolutely insane, impractical, and pointless."

Sounds like something right up the fedgovs alley - throw money at it, lots of money!

70 posted on 09/24/2001 9:00:49 AM PDT by Gasshog
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To: gunnedah
Most of you would want a pedophile identified in your neighborhood if you have kids,

Huh? I don't want a pedophile in my neighborhood at all. If he's a pedophile then why ain't he still in jail? (to put it another way: the answer to pedophiles is longer sentences for pedophiles.)

most want to know if a contagious disease were spreading,

Fair enough. The analogy between contagious diseases and terrorism is flawed, however. A contagious disease can be passed by anyone to anyone, without their knowledge or consent, and so anyone can become a carrier. That's why we call it "contagious".

Terrorism is not "contagious" in this matter, not even close. It simply makes no sense, therefore, to force little old ladies from Wichita and fratboys from Chico State to wear little ID cards because of acts which are almost the sole province of radical Islamicists.

It is not a sacrifice for a person to have to identify themselves.

I'm happy to identify myself verbally to anyone who asks politely.

Wake up!

You wake up. You are being sold a bill of goods and you're falling for it hook line and sinker. Lemme ask you something, can you tell me how the events would have been better on 9/11 if all the law-abiding citizens on the plane were carrying little valid plastic cards? Huh?

(You don't think terrorists will carry valid cards do you? They will forge, steal, fake them.)

It will not affect what little time I may have left but I see drugs decimating our society,our country being overrun by illegals,our elections being controlled by those inelgible or illegal to vote.

Yes, these things are horrible, and I wish the government would put a stop to them by closing our damn borders. They do not need a National ID card to do this. In fact one thing has virtually nothing to do with the other. How does forcing a red-blooded American guy to get an ID card help close the borders?

If they wanted to close the borders, they could, and would. The fact is, they don't want to. Democrats want extra instant-voters, and Republicans are weak-kneed about being called "racists". So, let that sink in: our politicians don't want to stop illegal or legal immigration in the first place.

Sure makes you wonder why they want all us law-abiding Americans to carry ID cards, don't it?

The biggest problem in America today is that we have too many laws and not enough accountability for our governing systems.

Agreed that this is a big problem. Not sure how writing still more laws creating a National ID card (and, presumably, an agency to enforce all this) is supposed to rectify the situation.

Government is never held accountable regardless of what anyone says

All the more reason to actually hold them accountable this time. Tell them to close the damn borders. Don't buy into this "National ID card" smokescreen. It won't help them close the damn borders, and even if it would, they don't want to. They really don't. I guarantee it.

71 posted on 09/24/2001 9:01:22 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Gracey
Hey, you all.... we're in a Life & Death situation in this war

Good point. The war, of course, is against Terrorists. Not the American people.

While we should be talking about blasting away the Terrorists out of their hideouts, you are discussing forcing all Americans to carry little cards. And you think this is accomplishing something?

I don't get it.

72 posted on 09/24/2001 9:04:42 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: rebel_yell2
Had there been such a system in place, most, if not all, of these killers would have been caught at the gate, and we wouldn't have had the disaster we now have in NYC and DC.

Actually there was such a system in place. Well, a similar one, at least. It's called "Visas".

Many of the terrorists were apparently here on lapsed Visas (and had known terrorist links to boot). Why weren't they rounded up and sent home then? You tell me.

If the FBI doesn't have the political willpower to round up and send home people who are known to have terrorist links and lapsed Visas, then what makes you think they will after a Nat'l ID card is in place?

73 posted on 09/24/2001 9:07:28 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank
"Many of the terrorists were apparently here on lapsed Visas (and had known terrorist links to boot). Why weren't they rounded up and sent home then? You tell me."

Could it be because the Toon had sent the CIA instead to find those evil video pirates instead of dangerous terrorists at the request of his Hollywood buddies?

Nah.

74 posted on 09/24/2001 9:19:18 AM PDT by Gasshog
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To: Dr. Frank
BUMP.
Keep this thread up there at the top!
75 posted on 09/24/2001 9:21:35 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: Gasshog
Could it be because the Toon had sent the CIA instead to find those evil video pirates instead of dangerous terrorists at the request of his Hollywood buddies?

By George I think you're on to something.

Can't believe how many people here seem to think that 9/11 is somehow our fault for not registering our identities with the government extensively enough. The government is floating this idea towards us, saying the magic words "it's for your own safety", and many here are flat-out buying it hook line and sinker - without even bothering to think about it.

And nor do they think about any of the real factors and mistakes which allow terrorist events like 9/11 to happen. You know, like the accessibility of cockpits from the passenger cabins. Or, the factor you just mentioned, which deserves a bump.

Best,

76 posted on 09/24/2001 9:30:33 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Landru
I read your reply. I would agree with you that this would not be a concern if it was just Drudge saying it. But when I hear a prominent Republican congressman state that it's not off the table, that extreme times may call for estreme measures (HE SAID THIS ON A NATIONALLY TELEVISED SHOW), I think it's time to be just a wee bit concerned???
77 posted on 09/24/2001 9:32:52 AM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: ppaul
Why don't they do something to stop immigration and track down the illegals already here rather than curtail our freedoms and find ways to keep track of US, the innocent, loyal citizens? How does knowing everything about our daily movements stop terrorism? Has everyone who is for a national ID card lost their ability to reason? We already have social security numbers and passports. This is sickening.
78 posted on 09/24/2001 9:33:27 AM PDT by austingirl
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To: dittomom, geezerette, Irma
What do you think?
79 posted on 09/24/2001 9:34:09 AM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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Clinton: "Never leave home without it, hawh hawh."
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* OK, that pic is not really related. Actual caption: President Clinton holds up his smart card that enables his electronic signature Friday, June 30, 2000 in Philadelphia. Clinton signed a bill Friday giving an online "John Hancock" the same legal validity as a signature in pen and ink. He signed the legislation electronically, but did it first the old-fashioned way as well.(AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)

80 posted on 09/24/2001 9:35:45 AM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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