Should Homosexuals serve in the Military?

09/23/2001 | Liberty or Die

[Liberty_Or_Die]

Freep this Poll on the Reagan.com site. The poll currently shows that americans want homosexuals to serve in the military. Obviously most of the people voting in this poll are either homosexuals or they have not served in the military.

[BikerNYC]

Anytime we found a homosexual we always discharged him.

Well, that's the question. If, during the present time and conditions, a soldier talks to his commanding officer and tells him he's gay, should he be discharged?

I take it your answer would be "yes."

[NOLA_homebrewer]

You quote a bunch of old Hebrew disciplinary regs which are no longer in force. Your attempt to equate these defunct regs with the practice of sodomy is absurd

No, I'm demonstrating the absurdity at which narrow-minded people often hide behind a bible quote that conveniently serves their purposes, as was being done in the post that I replied to.

And who says these particular ones are "old Hebrew disciplinary regs which are no longer in force", do you get to make that call? Is the bible some sort of living document that we can update and change as necessary? - I don't really care if it is or isn't, makes no difference to me.

The only equating I'm doing is taking a bible quote that was posted and putting it in the context where it came from, and you call that absurd? If I posted the Bill of Rights and used all ten to demonstrate that the second ammendment was an individual right and not a collective right, would you label that as absurd too?

[Storm Orphan]

Pre-judging individuals by group statistics and making policy there upon is exactly what collectivists do.

Still no sale. Peddle it elsewhere.

[Darksheare]

Did you even bother READING Leviticus? Have you ever bothered READING the book at all, in it's entirety? Or do you prefer taking things out of context to try to 'prove' a point that in actuality.. doesn't exist. Let me re-iterate the scene.. Moses coming down from the mountain, face radiating while holding the tablets of the law. The children of Isreal worshiping a golden calf... see what I'm saying? What Was The Context? The law was given to the Isrealites, and it is some pretty common-sense stuff too. In the laws, it states that you have to release your slaves after a set amount of time.. however, if the slave cares about his master and decides to stay, his master must take him to the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. But did you catch that in there? Slaves go free after a set amount of time. And they couild be 'redeemed' from you as well.
Now, do you really want to continue down that slippery slope? You see, there were also 'Nazirites'.. as in Samson? Go see Numbers 6 on this one. Can you see the utter ridiculousness of trying to apply the ceremonial laws of the Jews to today? Take careful note: CEREMONIAL LAW As for food... Read Matthew 7 verses 1-23. Clear enough yet, or do I have to go point by point, verse by verse and hold your hand? Read it for yourself in entirety. Thank you.

[wingnuts'nbolts]

Who has the time or the inclination to query people about their sex lives. If you are a man or a woman and want to serve your country, do so. Shut the h*ll up about your sexual preferences. Nobody gives a darn, nobody cares. It is just another losing liberal ajenda to separate society and seek more rights for the separated than the majority. PC at it's worst.

[Darksheare]

If God chooses to ignore it, then he has to apologise to Sodom and Gomorrah. And God is never wrong.

[BikerNYC]

And God is never wrong.

That's only because he makes up the rules as he goes along.

[Storm Orphan]

Zing!

[Belial]

Dr. Cameron is recognized worldwide as one of the foremost researchers in human sexuality.

Are you trying to make a joke? Paul Cameron was reprimanded in court for distorting his colleagues' data after they complained. His statistical methods are a universal laughing stock. He is nothing more than the propaganda arm of an exploitive political organization, the "Family Research Council".

[NOLA_homebrewer]

Did you even bother READING Leviticus? Have you ever bothered READING the book at all, in it's entirety

Nope, can't say I ever had. Reason being is that unfortunately I was brought up Catholic and so we were never encouraged to read the bible. 8 years of Catholic grade school and don't recall seeing a bible in the classroom. Instead our daily religion classes had nuns and priests read it to us and told us what it meant - much like what you and most of the bible thumpers here like to do. Much safer and convenient that way, point out what you want to make your point and ignore the rest.

I'm not about to argue with you on bible points, if I wanted to take the time I can probably find some quote somewhere to contradict anything you care to point out.

Just how & when did this post which is on gays in the military turn into a religious dispute? Religious nuts take all the fun out of Free Republic, you don't change anyone's views, and people are quicker to flame and insult over a religious issue than over anything else.

[NOLA_homebrewer]

Jesus made that call when he declared all foods clean... New public revelation continued until the death of the Apostle John around 100 A.D.
Okay, you stated the bible was revised until 100AD and Jesus made all foods clean, why wasn't this change incorporated or edited from Lev.?

The Church made that call when it switched the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.
Some business are open on Sunday, what's your point here? People still work on somebody's sabbath.

Is the bible some sort of living document that we can update and change as necessary? It should.
Again, great, and who gets to make that call. I got it, let's have some formal organized religious body to interpret the meaning of the bible and base our laws and society on that with no appeal process. We can pattern this after... lets see now.... oh yeah, the Taliban, that's it!!!

[f.Christian]

65% no...vote as much as you want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Darksheare]

Then I suggest you read the book before commenting on it. I am not a bible thumper myself. I have been called a heretic by the protestant church and several thousand Catholic priests. All because I said, "I don't care what man has to say about it. I want to know what God has to say." And thus was I called a heretic. And as for when this became a religion discussion, about the same time someone arguing Pro-gay in military stated something to that affect.
I bet you can't find anything in the bible that contradicts itself. Re-read my post again. Then read the book, and figure it out. Don't continue doing what the priests did to you, remember the pharisees? I know I'm imperfect, probably more than I or anyone else cares to admit about themselves. But I try to make it right. The difference between you and the priests is this, you knew that they were wrong in telling you not to read it for yourself. So don't use that as an excuse to not read it, that's the victimization stance. (I'm gay because I was molested.. I'm a murderer because I didn't get a dog when I was five. Society failed me..)If you let yourself be a victim, then you will stay one forever.. kinda like if this nation does nothing about the terrorist attack on the 11th andcurls up and plays dead.. "Because we've been victimized" That line don't work here with me.

[NOLA_homebrewer]

Going ad hominem on the guy are you? What's the matter? Running low on logic?

No, logic isn't the issue here, have you looked at my profile yet? All organized religions have their share of thick headed zealots who will not listen to logic, they will however take some quote written (possibly incorrectly, all those copies by hand...) thousands of years ago and apply it to present day circumstances. And seek to stifle or control any discussion based on said quote, knowing that the other party doesn't care enough to verify accuracy of the quote or look up a rebuttal. Why bring logic into your argument? Logic has nothing to do with religious matters.