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There is no vital American interest at risk in all these religious, territorial and tribal wars from Algeria to Afghanistan. Let us pay back those who did this, then let us extricate ourselves. Either America finds an exit strategy from empire, or we lose our republic.

The authentic voice of "Mr. Two Percent" showing yet again why he and his kook supporters have been totally marginalized in the world of politics.

No American interest, huh? An armed, fanatical group of people determined to bring down our entire country and way of life doesn't qualify, I guess.

What a yutz.

No American interest, huh? An armed, fanatical group of people determined to bring down our entire country and way of life doesn't qualify, I guess.

It may help to engage your brain when you read - you'll realize that Buchanan didn't say what you suggest. There appear to be a number of Bush fanaticals on this thread - the combined brain power is underwhelming.

I think Pat has a little clearer view of the situation IMHO. It appears to me that we have allowed the enemy throught the gates, and they struck from our turf. We are not a first strike nation, yet, and if we don't take care of what allowed these fanatics to live among us until the time was right, we will continue to face what took place tuesday last. Immigration policy plays a major role in this disaster. I believe we will compound the disaster by engaging the supposed enemy on his ground with a military that is a shell of its gulf war self.

At the moment we are talking big, but the big stick is nowhere to be seen. I have to agree with Pat, that there is absolutely nothing these thirdworlders have that would draw us into the russian vietnam, and logistics was certainly on the side of the russians, but will surely not be on ours. Cheap oil seemed to be the reason for the gulf war, it won't be a good reason for the next one. Not when we have failed to develop our own available sources, and continue with the open door imigration policy. JMHO

No American interest, huh? An armed, fanatical group of people determined to bring down our entire country and way of life doesn't qualify, I guess.

Stop and ask yourself a question? WHY?

Why does an armed, fanatical group exist to do grevious harm to the United States?

It seems that we are arguing over two theories as to why.

Theory One espoused by the neocons and assorted other bomb them all types is that Osama bin Laden and other Islamic Fundamentalists hate Americian culture in general. In fact, they hate it so much they are willing to die to eradicate it from the face of the earth.

Theory Two espoused here by Pat Buchanan and elsewhere by libertarians and paleos is that Islamic Fundamentalism's hatred for the U.S. is linked to American intervention in Islamic homelands. Specific incidents of military aggression by the U.S. against Islamic peoples and by a decidedly pro-Israel tilt in our foreign policy are the cause and the goal is to get the U.S. out of Islamic territory.

So, where do you stand? And be careful when you answer.

If you back theory one, think about what the war aims of the U.S. would be. They could be nothing short of the complete detruction of anyone and anything which holds the anti-American viewpoint among Islamicists.

Let's use some rough arithmatic for illustrative purposes. Say 800 milliom Moslems in the world and 1% of them hold Theory One views. That's 8 million people. Congratulations, you are now number two on the all-time genocidal list just ahead of Hitler but still way behind Uncle Joe.

If you back theory two, you can still exact retribution for the crime against humanity commited last Tuesday (eye for and eye and all) but refrain from a clash of civilization slaughter on a scale unsen in human history.

>>No American interest, huh? An armed, fanatical group of people determined to bring down our entire country and way of life doesn't qualify, I guess. <<

While we are at it,let's not forget that Pat and the Patsies want to reduce our military to nothing more than a reserve self-defense force. If this idiot had been elected,our military would now be looking back on "the good old days" when Bubba bin Bombing was president,and trying to buy airline tickets for a reserve Ranger Batallion.

I am amazed and rather surprised at some of Pat's comments here. How could he conclude we have no vital interest in those places after what happened one week ago today?

If the unthinking masses would have only listened to that 2% of the electorate you denigrate, this tragic incident would never have occurred. First of all, those who have long been concerned about the massive numbers of immigrants, both legal and illegal, in America, could have told you that permitting huge numbers of people whose possible ties to fanatical terrorist organizations would become especially difficult to detect due to the increased numbers of completely law abiding immigrants with whom they shared both physical and cultural characteristics, was probably not a good idea. But then anyone in that "kooky" 2% who advocate such things is either "xenophobic" or "racist," or some other leftist-inspired label, and certainly isn't welcome in the Stupid Party. Anyone who has the capacity for thought must realize that terrorism exists because the people who have resorted to it don't have more conventional and, until recently, far more effective weapons at their disposal. Terrorists hate us because of our unswavering support of Israel-who has treated their muslim neighbors with an iron and unjust hand-and because of our redneck style, playground bully foreign policy. Do you think that followers of Islam-even the most fanatical of them-didn't become angry over the thousands of innocent civilians killed by our saturation bombing of that tiny country over the last decade? Do you think they didn't feel something akin to what all Americans feel now, as they stare in amazement at the pile of rubble and body parts that used to be the WTC, when they wandered the streets of Iraq (or Libya, or the Sudan, etc.) and found similar piles of rubble, with their own loved ones buried underneath? There is a motive for everything; if you wish to believe the absurd notion that is being pushed by our own corrupt and incompetent leaders that the Islam world hates us because "we represent freedom," then you are swallowing a suggestion that there is a large number of people in the world who are opposed to the concept of freedom. If you're that naive and gullible, you definitely shouldn't be questioning the wisdom of the only people in America concerned about the underlying causes of terrorism, and the Stupid Party is probably the appropriate place for you.

What a yutz.

What happened? Did you use your index finder when you should have used your pinky?