KISS THE NOTION OF SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE GOODBYE!!!

FR | 09/15/01 | ServesURight

[ServesURight]

The United States of America is a Christian nation again.

The Terrorist attacks have renewed America's faith in God. There will be no more ACLU/People for the American Way lawyers screaming about politicians and government officials openly praying anymore.

There will no more lawsuits against city officials and residents who display religious symbols during Christmas. No more outrage against high-school teams praying before games, no more Supreme Court decisions.

The atheists at the ACLU were probably defecating in their pants at the site of Congress and President attending the National Cathedral, and at the site of millions of Americans holding candlelight vigils and prayer groups across the country.

I dare the Left to make "seperation of church and state" an issue now.

[Paranoid-Pessimist]

Do you believe that there can be any neutrality without a separation of Church and State?

My position in this discussion has never been about what I believe or what you believe. I simply asked a question about the the so-called "separation of church and state" -- a question to which I have yet to receive a direct answer. I'll try one last time:

Would you show me where it dictates in the Constitution -- the Supreme Law of the Land -- that there be a separation of church and state?

It doesn't matter what either one of us believes about your question on "neutrality." We must yield to the wording and intent of the Constitution -- that is if we are to adhere to the Supreme Law of the Land.

[TRY ONE]

"The quotation "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." should be patently obvious as to it's meaning, with the operative word being congress."

You just proved my point that the seperation is a "one-way seperation" of the state from the church.....Jueo-Christian VALUES are the bases of our value sysem and are to be injected into our laws...not for the "establishment of religion", but to be the core of our system.

If you are right how come our money has "In God we Trust". Here in Texas, many of our Judges use the Bible for interpretations and examples of behavior and judgement. Of course, the ACLU and YOU don't like that!

[Public Educator]

Even if no such statement is to be found, what is your point? Are you advocating some non-separation of church and state? If so, what?

[Coyote]

only a few short months ago the kids were having human excrement thrown on them during the shooting of one of MTV's more progressive programs.

War is hell, aint it? Even cultural wars.

[RobbyS]

if Muslim countries had a secular government and separation of church and state as WE do.. Or one like that of Robe spierre or Lenin?

[WalterSkinner]

We are a Judeo-Christian society, with our founding documents(despite flaws)influenced with a Christian world view.
Jefferson's misunderstood letter isn't getting much play these days.

[LaBelleDameSansMerci]

"...it is very easy to criticize..."

So you too have detected the high shrieking wail of someone who is losing the argument big time on the part of my posts?

I don't say what should be done in the short run because I'm finally getting into my thick skull that it's far too late for that. Also I've noticed that I'm getting a little shrill. Life as a voice crying (whining?) in the wilderness really doesn't suit me all that well.

It's very interesting to me that you too detected the jarring, out of step note of the Cardinal's remarks--The Beatitudes!! My oh my!! I have not seen hide nor hair of the Cardinal in any of the wall to wall coverage of the Great Crusade since.

Someone, on one of the myriad threads I've read since the tragedy, remarked that the World trade Center Towers were "America's Mecca". I find that an atrocious thought and it gives me some idea of what must be done in the long run. There has to be some sort of parting of the ways--amicable, I hope--between the people who are content with our system and what it is rapidly descending into--and those who have a different "conservative" vision.

As it is, every religion in the world has a homeland except New Testament Christianity. I would also welcome Libertarians and non-moronic athiests, I think.

But I think that too is a childish fantasy. "My kingdom is not of this world." It poses a real dilemma, doesn't it?

I hope that was a suitably irritating response.

[Paranoid-Pessimist]

Here's what I'm advocating -- and I quote:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF; OR ABRIDGING THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH...

Why is that so hard to understand? The ever-expanding federal government is increasingly dictating to individuals where, and wherenot, they can exercise their free speech rights, for example prayer on government property. This represents a prohibition that violates the First Amendment; particularly in light of the fact that the federal government now owns or controls over 40% of the states' land mass -- and counting.

[independentmind]

Have you seen the comments made by the Pope after bombing about the U.S.'s utilitarian, materialist culture and the critical need for better education in this country? Very interesting indeed.

I do think it is a mistake though to see nothing good in our country and I am absolutely certain that the perpetrators of these atrocities must be severely punished. We may have to sort out our internal problems later -- and I have a feeling that the days of our consumerist culture are extremely numbered.

[Lurker]

"I don't say what should be done in the short run because I'm finally getting into my thick skull that it's far too late for that."

The 'short run' was over years ago, and your right. It's far too late for that sort of thing.

The world is about to reap the whirlwind, and it ain't gonna stop at Afghanistan. Picture the Crusaders vs. the Muslims by a factor of a thousand or so with both sides possessing (and this time using I fear) nuclear weapons.

As ugly as this thing already is, it's going to get far uglier.

And the damned sad part about it all is, we brought this on ourselves.....

May God have mercy on us all.

L

[bellagio_jo]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. And The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. There aint no seperation of church and statee, the prohibition is for the govenment to pass any rule or law dealing with religion. Nukem" Amen Sorry, I didn't read all the other posts but I feel a need to vent. Religion caused this. ALL religion is based on something other than reason and logic. Of course, your religion is the correct one out of #####many that there are out there. AND, yes, religion had something to do with the founding of America. That is true. But, So did free trade.

[Aedammair]

I think you are wrong. The Founding Fathers said that our basic rights were endowed to us by our creator. It's true that establishment of a state religion was prohibited by them, but they believed religion could and should be part of civic life. And if needed in the protection of their fledgling Republic, they would have invoked God, whether they truly believed in him or not, to rally the troops and vanquish the enemy. They understood human nature, and were not afraid to exploit it when needs surfaced. Their micro ways were not always in concert with their macro leanings.

[Iowegian]

If you think you are capable of keeping your personal religious views out of your politics you are in a self-delusion. The more you privitize faith the more you lose it.

[TRY ONE]

"I really must insist that you refrain from drinking before posting. Your pink-elephant fantasies contribute nothing to the sense of your comments."

The Bible and Christian values really get you upset, huh, Cernunnos?

I bet you really don't like to inject Judeo-Christian values into the Row v. Wade and gay lifestyle interpretatins. No wonder you want a big 'ol concrete barrier up..."Seperation of Church and State" there....no doubt!

[Michael2001]

"Perhaps if Muslim countries had a secular government and separation of church and state as WE do...this heinous event would not have happened. Religion in the hands of government is a recipe for tyranny."

Especially if that religion happens to be Islam.

[Michael2001]

"The U.S.A. may have been a Christian nation once, but I'd say that it appears we were attacked by muslims because we are (in their opinion) a jewish nation. And in many ways, that is exactly what we are."

If you honestly think that you are a moron, but methinks you are a supporter of Bin Laden, trying to get us to lose focus of the real enemy.

[rb22982]

Nonsense, I'm a Christian libertarian.

I have a single political/law code: No initiation of physical force or fraud.

Anyone who tries to get everyone else to follow their religious views, especially through law, shows the lack of faith in their religion and especially in their God.