Posted on 09/14/2001 11:54:59 PM PDT by Brian_Baldwin
Is Jerry Falwell America's Taliban?
I do not know a lot about Jerry Falwell since I am not interested in his religion. Of course, I am familiar with him as a media icon of sorts, and have seen him on television giving commentary on current events as a guest of news talk programs on the networks, such as MSNBC or FOX. Even though I do not necessarily agree with some of the viewpoints which I have heard him express, and since I have no interest in his religion there is sometimes a disconnection between reality as I see it and his religious viewpoint as to why things happen in this world, nevertheless I have admired some of his works and was positive about what I would call a bravery in his personality, a motif of bravery in his openness about his convictions. I want to again clarify, that I am not familiar with everything Reverend Falwell has said either in the past or present since I do not regularly listen to him and certainly do not count myself as one of his enthusiasts.
Of the little that I am familiar of him, my positive feelings about him have now changed due to a recent comment he has made, and I have to seriously ask whether he might be a nut or something, and I don't mean to call him a nut as an insult but rather question if he might have mental problems. Current events, as related to the recent terrorist attack by what appears to be the Osama Bin Laden network of Islamic terrorist fanatics and the religious nut-case government of the Taliban in Afghanistan all converged with this rather odd person's statement, the statement by this Falwell to the effect that America got what it deserved in the form of God's wrath as manifest in this terrorist attack, God's punishment on America because there are too many lesbians, homosexuals, and abortions in America.
Again, Reverend Falwell said in so many words is that civil liberties groups, homosexuals and abortion supporters are partially responsibility for the terrorist attacks which turned God's anger against America, and that what happened to the people in New York, (including one of my own) is "what we deserve".
hmmmm . . . Sounds like Jerry's god agrees with the same god those suicidal sammies who just murdered our people in N.Y. worship. In fact it sounds like Jerry's god and their god is the same god. Because, well, what he is saying is, and it really doesn't matter now if he denies that he is saying this because if what I have just quoted is accurate then he is in fact saying that his God, whoever that is, blew up the WTC because that is what we deserve because there are too many ACLU types and homos running around in America, abortion, etc..
Excuse me, but isn't that what he said? . . . and so, excuse me, but this man is a lunatic and please don't let him or his god anywhere near my house because I have children I have to protect from mentals.
Accounting for what I understand he said, then what this man is, is America's Taliban. Please do not let this man have any political say or power in this nation, because we don't need this kind of Taliban voodoo at any level of power or government in the good ol' USA because such a man if put in any position of leadership would be a menace to world stability and a possible inspiration for followers of this type of cultism to potentially engage in terrorism. It also worries me, and I have to ask, does President Bush have anything to do with this apparent mental case?
Now, as anyone who knows me will tell you, I am no friend of abortionists, and though I have some friends who are homosexual it is a fact that when it comes to political opinnion regarding some of the homosexual agenda the gays and lesbians radicals probably consider me Public Enemy Numer One as they do of Falwell, but . . . I have no doubt, considering the statement of Falwell, that if his type of cultism took over the country, while the Afghan Taliban is aggressive towards it's 'enemies' and the Falwell Taliban would likely not be engaged in systematic aggressive attacks on others - though even this could be possible - there is little doubt that the Falwell Taliban would indeed be a Taliban of sorts in America, and the end of liberty sacrificed to kookiness and live-choking oppression and terror.
There is a lot to admire about President Bush, especially in light of his handling of this recent act of war upon the United States. I hope the President or his Administration has made some comment regarding this scary and frankly lunatic statement by the Falwell preacher, denouncing it as it should. I am concerned that it appears this man might have some following, also the kookiness of his position is disconcerting because it is rather reminiscent of a few, very few but scary, Christians who call themselves supporters of Bush because they think, and quite frankly from the way they act seem to worship, Bush as some sort of Christian President of a status of infallibility - that is it would not matter what Bush did even if he started throwing baby kittens to their death out of Air Force One, it's all justified because he is Pope President of sorts, the infallible anointed President of The New Jerusalem, amen. Somebody better tell Bush, because I don't think he considers himself as such even though it appears some do.
My greatest respect goes to Christians, whom I love. In fact, one of my concerns is how Christians are being turned into the next Jews for the gas chambers by the liberal fascists. Secularism in government is very important, however, so I suppose that Mr. Falwell is eagerly expecting a terrorist truck bomb to slam into the front door of my house, the punishment vented by his god upon me for which I so richly deserve. Who knows, considering our current state of national security and intelligence operations this even might very well take place, but it certainly has nothing to do with God's vengeance upon me.
Yes.
I even went as far as to say that it spoke well of him until I read the apology.
He apologized for the unfortunate happenstance of his words being taken out of context.
Some apology. Could have been written by Clinton.
Is that really what you think?
Are Falwell's words an example of moral kindness?
Do they do a service to the Christian faith?
Well?
In addition to the popular opinion that Bin Laden was behind this, there are those who think that he had help from the Taliban, Arafat , Saudi Arabia, & the UAE among others. I've heard opinions saying that China is also involved. I've heard that Israel has a lot to gain by this. And I've also heard that there may be groups that think it is their duty to drag us into a large conflict to fulfill the prophecies of the Old and New testaments who may also find ways to support an attack on us.
I wouldn't hold Fallwell in the same contempt as the Taliban, not even close. I believe he has retracted it and clarified it, explaining the comment as a stream of consciousness. He doesn't advocate murder to advance Christianity. He just profoundly believes that God plays an active role in civilization, and thinks that He would punish us for our libertine ways. There are far worse thoughts on earth than that.
You mean to say Harry Browne: "My article last Tuesday "When Will We Learn?" provoked more controversy than anything I've ever written. In case there was any misunderstanding, here is what I believe: ..."
These are Falwell's words. You say they represent an example of moral kindness. Not surprising from a guy called "Cultural Jihad".
Still think they are kind?
Well they were taken out of context. The context of the word "PERHAPS." God can permit judgments like this attack for such things. Did He in this case? That's a question nobody can answer this side of Glory. I can't, Falwell can't. We do know that troubles can bring straying sheep back to their faith.
I needed that.
Sometimes it's better to just walk away.
No.
It is my way of saying that you're an idiot.
Anyone who reads your original post cannot help but come to the same conclusion.
Ask them.
I don't know. I think in some ways, events like these anaesthetize (sp?) people to integrating God into their life. God becomes a security blanket when there's a crisis, a nightlight when the power's out. But as for the rest of the time, God's just ..... nothing.
I watched Carson Daly (of MTV) chatting with the lead singer of the quite positive and popular P.O.D. about the events of the past few days on his show TRL. And Carson could do the Godspeak, "God bless you, Sonny" etc.... But what does that mean come two months from now when this is starting to fade in collective psyches? Probably not a lot... Just some drive-by thoughts, fwiw
I just calls them as I sees them but we ain't "going steady". LOL
That code changed forever on Tuesday.
I knew I could count on you to not retreat, no matter what. Bravo...
Consider the fact that one of the people who did respond in such a manner as you described probably exacerbated the problem. When the terrorists were reportedly killing stewardesses to get the pilots to come out.... If they hadn't responded in your mode, perhaps their plane would not have been commandeered. But that doesn't fit your scenario. Sorry to muck things up with the facts.
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