Posted on 12/31/2025 4:21:40 AM PST by Rummyfan
It was somewhat surprising, and a little dispiriting to me, the number of counter-arguments that - even at the website of a far-right madman - framed what is now an existential crisis for the entire west in sentimentalist and pseudo-mystical terms, if not explicitly left-wing ones - such as "nation of immigrants". As to the broader arguments about America as a "proposition nation", here is one response to Vivek Ramaswamy:
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Everyone claiming America is a creedal nation should move to Liberia - a country with a Constitution broader and more protective of civil rights than our own. Best of luck. See you.
Very true. And not just because, two or three Liberian "peaceful transfers of power" back, rebel warlord General Butt Naked (his nom de guerre) is said to have made outgoing president Samuel Doe eat his own ears, while the general himself chowed down on the late Mr Doe's genitalia in accordance with the widely held belief that that is how the old leader's powers are transferred to the new guy. Granted one would live in dread of being served the membrum virilis of such legendary strongmen as Joe Biden, Rishi Sunak, Justin Trudeau or Brigitte Macron at one's inaugural lunch, it does underline the basic point that, while the American and Liberian constitutions might be similar, the people are not. I have made a repeated observation with regard to the 1848 Nova Scotia constitution, which Westminster has exported with minimal variations to over sixty countries in every corner of the earth: it has worked more or less where one would expect it to work, and likewise it has flopped where one would expect it to.
It's the people.
(Excerpt) Read more at steynonline.com ...
Steyn is killing me. Again.
Or this. But it is a sign of how far we have fallen if you have to use this kind of scatological language to get people's attention. It's inflammatory. The next sound you here is extra capacity magazines snapping into the assault rifles that should have been rounded up or dredged out of lakes after a raft of boating accidents years ago.
“...served the membrum virilis of such legendary strongmen as Joe Biden, Rishi Sunak, Justin Trudeau or Brigitte Macron...”
I see what you did there Mark. Classic!
Not to beat a dead horse, but Mark does an excellent job of making my point about demographics:
“ So how’s that going?
In the United Kingdom, Anglo-Celts are projected to become a minority in their own islands by 2063;
In New Zealand, the European population (without which the country would not exist) is predicted to fall below fifty per cent by 2048;
In Norway, the capital city, Oslo, will become minority Norwegian by 2040;
In Sweden, today, some forty per cent of residents have a foreign - ie, non-Swedish - background;
In Austria, right now:
In a sign of just how fast the demographic situation is developing in Austria, Vienna has hit a major new milestone, marking the first time that more than half the first-grade population do not understand German.
I did my Austrian demography gags twenty sod-bollocking years ago:
According to the Vienna Institute of Demography, by mid-century a majority of Austrians under 15 will be Muslim. This is a country that not so long ago was 90 percent Catholic. But ‘not so long ago’ is another country: Salzburg, 1938, singing nuns, Julie Andrews — ‘How do you solve a problem like Maria?’ Salzburg, 2038: How do you solve a problem like sharia?
But it’s not really funny when you get two decades’ warning and you still sit back and let it happen.”
We are assuming that all the children of current Muslims will all keep to the heritage of their parents. The current Muzzies have the most problems keeping their girls in line especially in countries with strong pro women laws.
It will not be that easy as doomists think for Islam to simply take over. More true Christian families still tend to have more chgildren but its being able to transmit the faith to children in a way that they will adapt and become Christians themselves.
The Islamists have the same issue with their children, they complain that their children are becoming more secular.
So, this is another warning for the likes of Somalia invaders. We cluck at the pronouncements of Somalian/Islamic incursions
and watch the invasion continue.
Minnesota, Michigan, Washington, New York, etc. continue unabated with the drum-beat of barbaric tribes that plunder their States with impunity.
Like Ilhan Omar?
Oh I don’t think she’s a contrite Islamic woman...she is out their loving her bougie life and money and she is loud and proud with a bit of Islamic trim...she is as secularized as they come! She is useful to the Dem’s Fabian revolution so they keep her around.
Second generation muslims in Europe have been repeatedly shown to be far more fundamentalist and terror supporting than their immigrant parents.
It gets WORSE by generation, not BETTER.
For example, Grok:
“ Evidence Suggesting Higher Fundamentalism or Radicalization in Second-Generation Muslims
Several sources point to intergenerational differences where second-generation individuals exhibit stronger radical tendencies, often framed as a response to failed integration rather than inherited religiosity.
• A 2017 study published in Political Psychology examined “victimization by proxy” among Muslims in Denmark. It found that European-born Muslims were more likely than their immigrant parents (even those from conflict zones like Afghanistan) to strongly identify with global Muslim communities, perceive Western foreign policies as unjust, experience group-based anger, and endorse radical ideology or violence in support of Muslims. For instance, Denmark-born respondents scored higher on predictors of violent intentions in two surveys of over 200 participants each (recruited via Islam-related Facebook groups, mostly aged 18-34). The concept of victimization by proxy explains this as indirect outrage over global Muslim mistreatment, despite no personal experience abroad, potentially amplified by feelings of isolation in European societies. 
• A 2009 working paper from Erasmus University Rotterdam analyzed identity factors in Islamic radicalization across Western Europe (e.g., Germany, UK, France, Spain, Netherlands). It concluded that second-generation Muslims face heightened radicalization risks compared to first-generation due to “relative deprivation” (gaps between expectations and reality) and “horizontal inequalities” (group-based disadvantages in economics, politics, and culture). Evidence includes higher unemployment rates (e.g., 30% for North Africans in France vs. 10% national average), educational dropouts (e.g., 36% of British Muslims leave school without qualifications), and discrimination (e.g., CV experiments in the Netherlands showing preference for non-Muslim names). Second-generation individuals, lacking strong ties to their parents’ home cultures, reportedly turn to politicized Islamic identities for self-enhancement, leading to greater resentment and non-violent/violent defiance (e.g., increased hijab-wearing or involvement in attacks like the 2005 London bombings by British-born perpetrators). The paper argues this is not about Islam per se but systemic inequalities exacerbating group grievances. 
• A 2011 Congressional Research Service report on Muslims in Europe noted that while most Muslims are not radical, some second- or third-generation youth are more vulnerable to extremism than their parents due to alienation, disenfranchisement, and identity crises in societies perceived as non-accepting. Examples include the 2005 London bombings (by second-generation British Pakistanis) and the 2004 murder of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh by a Dutch-born Muslim. Experts cited argue that integration failures leave youth adrift, turning to fundamentalist groups or clerics for belonging, unlike parents who focused on economic survival. In Germany, younger Muslims show rising support for extremist views tied to global issues (e.g., Palestinian conflict, U.S. policies), with data on socio-economic gaps (e.g., Turkish students twice as likely to need special education). In the Netherlands, second-generation radicals like those in the Hofstad Group exemplify this generational shift. 
• French scholar Olivier Roy’s 2016 opinion piece in Mada Masr described radicalization among second-generation French Muslims as the “Islamization of radicalism”—a generational revolt where youth reject their parents’ cultural Islam (tied to home-country traditions) and adopt Salafism as a “pure” form for self-reinvention and nihilistic rebellion. This is not rooted in piety (radicals often lack religious history and engage in secular behaviors like drinking before “reconverting”) but in alienation from both parental culture and Western norms. Roy notes this pattern since the 1990s, affecting a fringe of second-generation individuals who break family ties and try to “reconvert” parents, but not third-generation (who integrate better). No quantitative data is provided, but anecdotal examples from attacks (e.g., non-practicing youth suddenly growing beards) illustrate the rupture.
“Like Ilhan Omar?”
My most recent email from Vanguard Investing has a woman featured who looks exactly like Omar; head scarf and all.
It’s a soft sell for a hard culture.
The dilution of the culture in Islam does not allow for conversion to most western values and it does not diminish their hate for Christianity. We are all crusaders.
THIS, THIS, THIS ALL DAY..
“According to the Vienna Institute of Demography, by mid-century a majority of Austrians under 15 will be Muslim. This is a country that not so long ago was 90 percent Catholic. But ‘not so long ago’ is another country: Salzburg, 1938, singing nuns, Julie Andrews — ‘How do you solve a problem like Maria?’ Salzburg, 2038: How do you solve a problem like sharia?”
“nation of immigrants”
I am constantly amazed that most people nowadays have no idea that America had five generations of home-grown Americans by 1776, and compared to today’s standards, immigration did not exist.
Interesting info on the 2nd generations but also note the info on third generations not being as radical as the second. I was looking for info on the girls verses the boys and don’t know if the second generation girls are as readily racalized!
If someone stood up to them, aside from putting specific troops on the ground to eliminate the threat, if some group decided to go out and freelance and remove the problem, how bad does the result turn out to be?
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