Posted on 03/10/2025 2:09:24 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
“New York State gets about five percent of its electricity from Canada”
“Minnesota Power, the main electrical utility serving the part of Minnesota that borders Ontario, gets only a “very small” proportion of its power from the province, company spokesperson Amy Rutledge said.”
“Does Michigan get its electricity from Canada?
Yes, and no.
Michigan does get a substantial amount of electricity from Ontario, but the state does not consume most of it, said Dan Scripps, chair of the Michigan Public Service Commission and a former state representative.
Instead, that power flows through Michigan and into several other states before returning to Canada as part of the Eastern Interconnection. That’s an electrical grid that reaches central Canada and states east of the Rocky Mountains.”
So if Canada shuts off power to Michigan, they will also shut off power to much of their own country.
A hollow threat from Canada.
Hey Canada. “We don’t NEED anything you have.”
Since you are already mostly a third world country, without our support you will be a fourth world country, Eh?
Ford is being Ford, the village idiot. You will notice any news about China on Canada is “retaliatory tariffs” as though Canada had it coming.
Well you have Trump on one hand ready to burn the NA economy and cause as much confusion as possible. And on the other hand, a lack of statesmen coming from Canada, who should be trying to negotiate half way. As many have pointed out here, Canada suffers under huge tariffs on US milk, and would love to have cheap dairy. But will Trudeau even consider that? No, he says he will accept nothing but no tariffs. It’s like the kitten scrapping with a tiger.
Sooooo, take some of that cash DOGE found and subsidize those who get hit with the 25% bump. No problem. Then hit that dumbass with a closed boarder at Ontario.
We buy electricity, lumber, and oil from Canada. I’m not sure the President was informed. Here are my findings. I may be wrong.
In 2023, the United States imported 38.92 terawatt-hours of electricity, primarily from Canada and Mexico.
In 2023, the US imported $24.8 billion in wood products, making it the world's largest importer, with Canada being the primary supplier.
In 2023, the United States imported nearly 3.9 million barrels of crude oil from Canada every day, with Canada accounting for nearly 60% of U.S. crude oil imports.
They are idiots!
Long term that only means we produce and expand infrastruture in the US, and the jobs/money lost in Canada aren’t coming back once the tariffs drop eventually.
That’s like saying “I’ll show you, I’ll shoot myself in the foot!”
Nuclear power takes decades to build in the USA. Japan the world leader in reactor tech can and has built their latest ABWR design ,four of them in 39 months from first pour till fuel loading. So even if the USA could approve a standardized design and get the Japanese to supervise the build it would still be 3+ years until you get gigawatt level nuclear power to the grid. No SMR has been built anywhere in the USA and the only NRC approved design NuScale says it will take them 36 months from first pour till fuel loading. That haven’t done it yet and are not even planing to do their first build anymore the electric company backed out. So no nuclear power is going to have any affect in the next 3 years on trade war , tariffs or even the AI build out. Gas turbine plants the simple cycle turbine kind take 12-24 months to bring on line from a greenfield. Combined cycle turbines can be 48 month builds. This doesn’t include permits, EPA impact studies or grid tie logistics , hint there is a 2 plus year back order on sub station sized transformers.
The truth is there is no quick relief coming nor can their be. The USA has been buying cheap Canadian power for years and now will have to either pay more for it or reduce demand by the amounts of grid spinning reserves lost via rolling blackouts or by pricing certain users out of the market so they curtail demand via the price signals.
This notion that a Canadian providence can impose tariffs at all is completely alien to U.S. residents and business owners.
Being it was Quebec, there's little chance the leaves would be from the gympie-gympie (Dendrocnide moroides) plant in the Australia/Indonesia area. The leaves are covered with fine hairs that when contacted cause a burning sting that can last for weeks or longer.
The USA has been buying cheap Canadian power for years and now will have to either pay more for it or reduce demand by the amounts of grid spinning reserves lost via rolling blackouts or by pricing certain users out of the market so they curtail demand via the price signals.
Okay, now we know what has to be done.
There was this bear running around with a roll of toilet...but he was kinda scary...so I didn't ask...lol
It’s going to cost the USA and really ratepayers pretty penny to replace near free Canadian hydro power at $10 or less per megawatt hour, same for CANDU reactor power at $18 or so.
First you have to build out the new spinning reserves at $2000+ per kilowatt of capacity on average. Nukes are $5000-10,000 in the USA. Simple cycle gas turbines can be $900 to 2000. Coal if you could get the permits hint you can’t would be $2000+
Then you have to fuel those plants, you are competing against hydro with zero fuel costs and already paid off capital expenses from decades old dam builds. Nothing America can do is going to be as cheap as already built out , paid off spinning reserves. This is just basic economic fact.
So yea we will end up more energy independent but it will not be cheap, fast or easy. The Canadians can sell their massive amounts of hydro for near nothing and still turn a profit. They are one of the few countries with large amounts of hydro capacity that is still unbuilt, Nepal,Norway and China being the other ones. The USA has largely built every hydro power we can and have been tearing down not building more in the pacnor areas, Cali too. The east coast doesn’t have the geography or hydrology for mass hydro power. Canada has the geography and hydrology flowing north into sparsely populated areas that also includes 20% of all the planet’s liquid freshwater they hit the hydrology jackpot.
The they also can and do build nukes of their own design in huge industrial parks with 4 to 8 reactors each. Their CANDU fleet also can fueled while running something no other plant anywhere in the world can do. Bruce Power has 8 reactors in one spot they sell power from that to the Eastern interconnect for $18 or less at times no new power of baseload type can or will touch that as those plants use natural uranium w/o enrichment so they have half the fuel costs of PWR reactors.
RE: Pennsylvania and the NY southern tier has all the gas we need. Up the use of gas and we can cut down on the electric.
PA is not the problem. They’ve been fracking for years.
It’s NY that is. NY REFUSES to drill. Even a relatively reasonable Democrat like David Paterson had the chance to approve it. HE PUNTED and Andrew Cuomo TOTALLY shut it off. We haven’t had any drilling ever since. It’s been over 20 years now.
RE: Canada was happy with Chinese fentanyl crossing its border into the U.S.
Just curious, exactly how many percent of fentanyl in the USA comes from Canada as opposed to Mexico?
And didn’t Canada promise to send 10,000 troops to guard their border already?
RE: As long as they don’t hit maple syrup....
You want maple syrup? we make our own.
The United States does produce its own maple syrup. The primary states involved in maple syrup production are Vermont, New York, Maine, and Wisconsin. Vermont is the largest producer, accounting for a significant portion of the country’s maple syrup output.
Agree, no sympathy at all for all those NE states who don’t allow fracking or pipelines. Enjoy baying your electric bill.
RE: Long term that only means we produce and expand infrastruture in the US
Yep, and the key words are “Long term”. How long is another question. In the meantime, electricity prices GO UP.
Do you think Trump is just making it all up? I don’t.
What difference does it make if Mexico is worse? Does that make it O.K? I expect Mexico to be dealt with, too.
Canadians need help with their government, but the ship is sailing.
I’m perfectly happy to buy U.S. maple syrup too. It’s just that some things are sacred and should be above politics.
I’m perfectly happy to buy U.S. maple syrup too. It’s just that some things are sacred and should be above politics.
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