Posted on 07/28/2024 1:19:01 PM PDT by RandFan
@Megatron_ron
BREAKING:
Iran has summoned the French ambassador for the offensive representation of Jesus Christ during the Olympics opening ceremony.
Muslims consider Jesus a prophet of God.
@Megatron_ron
Iranian Minister of Culture and Islamic Guidance:
'The insulting representation of Jesus Christ in Paris yesterday was completely offensive and crossed all red lines. France, a country with a major history of Christianity, must be ashamed of itself, and I implore our Christian people all over the world to speak out against this act – we resolutely condemn this'
(Excerpt) Read more at x.com ...
Well - it's because LDS, Inc. gives me such good material.
Got any “Evidence” that God NEEDED to restore the “Church” in the days of Joesph Smith?
Who exactly told you that Prophets and Apostle WERE continually necessary in the Lord’s scheme of things?
"It is finished."
“Kind of ironic that an objection to the mockery of Jesus comes from Tehran but not the Vatican.”
There WAS an objection from the Vatican. Not nearly strident enough or forceful enough, but it was there.
(It's in your Quad...)
19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Jesus was not referring to future 'prophets'.
19 There was a certain rich man...
(I guess this fella had better hope that some future LDS member gets proxy baptised for him!)
Sure pop a question in answer to a question which is NO answer.
...and top it off with a cherry on top picking three words out of context in a vain attempt to bolster the non answer. Furthermore, you have no clue what was meant by those three words without a prophetic explanation.
considering the 7 to 8 hundred thousand words in various Bibles, I wouldn’t be basing my salvation on three words Biblical or not.
...and finally, Jesus made no distinction, if the people won’t listen to the Prophets they will not listen to one raised from the dead referring to himself.
And of that situation we have ample evidence.
Yes I do.
I have active brain cells.
Older Temple Recommend questions. (Red = deleted) 1. Do you have faith in and a testimony of God, the Eternal Father; His Son, Jesus Christ; and the Holy Ghost? 2. Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Jesus Christ and of His role as your Savior and Redeemer 3. Do you have a testimony of the Restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ? 4a. Do you sustain the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the prophet, seer, and revelator and as the only person on the earth authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? 4b. Do you sustain the members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? (Separate question now) 4c. Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local leaders of the Church? (Separate question now) (the reason for the next questions) The Lord has said that all things are to be “done in cleanliness” before Him (Doctrine and Covenants 42:41). 5a. Do you strive for moral cleanliness in your thoughts and behavior? 5b. Do you obey the law of chastity? 6. Do you follow the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ (WHAT???) in your private and public behavior with members of your family and others? 7. Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? 8. Do you strive to keep the Sabbath day holy, both at home and at church; attend your meetings; prepare for and worthily partake of the sacrament; and live your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel? 9. Do you strive to be honest in all that you do? 10. Are you a full-tithe payer? 11. Do you understand and obey the Word of Wisdom? 12. Do you have any financial or other obligations to a former spouse or to children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations? 13. Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple, including wearing the temple garment as instructed in the endowment? 14. Are there serious sins in your life that need to be resolved with priesthood authorities as part of your repentance? 15. Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord’s house and participate in temple ordinances? | Previous Temple Recommend questions. Verbiage has been modified (Red = added) and order changed. 1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost? 2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer? 3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days? 4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church? 5 Do you live the law of chastity? 6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church? (Complete rewrite) 7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? 8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel? 9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen? 10 Are you a full-tithe payer? 11 Do you keep the Word of Wisdom? 12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations? 13 If you have previously received your temple endowment: (Rearranged the words) Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple? Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple? 14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been? 15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances? | Newest Temple Recommend questions. Verbiage has been modified (Red = editted) and order changed. Verbiage in 11 questions has been modified. Questions 12 and 13 are omitted when youth are interviewed for a limited-use recommend. 1. Do you have faith in and a testimony of God, the Eternal Father; His Son, Jesus Christ; and the Holy Ghost? 2. Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Jesus Christ and of His role as your Savior and Redeemer? 3. Do you have a testimony of the Restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ? (removed) 4. Do you sustain the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the prophet, seer, and revelator and as the only person on the earth (removed) authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain the members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local leaders of the Church? The Lord has said that all things are to be “done in cleanliness” before Him (Doctrine and Covenants 42:41). 5. Do you strive for moral cleanliness in your thoughts and behavior? Do you obey the law of chastity? 6. Do you follow the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ in your private and public behavior with members of your family and others? (Complete rewrite harkening back to old times) 7. Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? 8. Do you strive to keep the Sabbath day holy, both at home and at church; attend your meetings; prepare for and worthily partake of the sacrament; and live your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel? 9. Do you strive to be honest in all that you do? (Old days again) 10. Are you a full-tithe payer? 10a. For new members seeking a limited-use recommend: Are you willing to obey the commandment to pay tithing? 11. Do you understand and obey the Word of Wisdom? (Old days again) 12. Do you have any financial or other obligations to a former spouse or to children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations? 13. Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple, including wearing the temple garment as instructed in the endowment? 14. Are there serious sins in your life that need to be resolved with priesthood authorities as part of your repentance? 15. Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord’s house and participate in temple ordinances? |
To: General Authorities; General Officers; Area Seventies; Stake, Mission, District, and Temple Presidents; Bishops and Branch Presidents
The Garment of the Holy Priesthood
Dear Brothers and Sisters:
The garment of the holy priesthood is a sacred symbol of Jesus Christ and is a reminder of our covenant relationship with Him and Heavenly Father. As endowed members keep the covenants they have made, including the sacred privilege to wear the garment, they will have greater access to the Savior’s mercy, protection, strength, and power.
First Presidency updates temple recommend interview questions – Church News (thechurchnews.com)
I keep trying to find this command to wear this specifically designed garment in the LDS scriptures, but so far I've had no success.
I am positive that something so sacred would be found in scripture somewhere. Any help will be appreciated.
(Heck, I can't even find the covenants that LDS members make in LDS scripture; either.)
I have active brain cells.
...and those brain cells come up with “it is finished”, when His work and Glory is not finished.
As a believer, that is fundamental to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, so why is it you believe otherwise?
There is ample example right here on the religion threads at FR of the multiplicity of beliefs among those who regard “the Church” as being among you despite the confusion.
I suggest that is a condition that cannot be. If you are not “one” you have not yet come to a unity of the faith and stand outside the confines of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
The answers are there for those who read and understand scripture. For those who don’t it will remain a mystery.
Perhaps a man made earthly example of what we are discussing. The movie industry at least back in the day had the perfect finish to the moving picture of the day: The End.
Such is not the case with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Those with understanding will acknowledge the absolute necessity for prophets who speak as it is given them from God the Father, His Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
Any suggestion otherwise would be from a source unlikely to be on the Lord’s side of things.
Sez who?
The LDS religious corporation?
No, As an LDS member, that is fundamental to the foundation of MormonISM.
It appears that Spelchunk is not your friend...
Such is not the case with the teachings of LDS, Incorporated. Those with a valid TR card will acknowledge the absolute necessity for prophets who speak as it is given them from the necessity of getting along with the US government...
For those of you that might still be reading along, and are wondering about this ---> the necessity of getting along with the US government..., I post the following in explanation:
POLYGAMY is STILL the Official Doctrine of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints - based in Salt Laker City.
NOTHING was changed in the MORMONic scriptures.
Here - read for yourself - just SEE if 'GOD' told them to change ANYTHING about their belief.
To Whom It May Concern:
Press dispatches having been sent for political purposes, from Salt Lake City, which have been widely published, to the effect that the Utah Commission, in their recent report to the Secretary of the Interior, allege that plural marriages are still being solemnized and that forty or more such marriages have been contracted in Utah since last June or during the past year, also that in public discourses the leaders of the Church have taught, encouraged and urged the continuance of the practice of polygamy—
I, therefore, as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.
One case has been reported, in which the parties allege that the marriage was performed in the Endowment House, in Salt Lake City, in the Spring of 1889, but I have not been able to learn who performed the ceremony; whatever was done in this matter was without my knowledge. In consequence of this alleged occurrence the Endowment House was, by my instructions, taken down without delay.
Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.
There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.
WILFORD WOODRUFF
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:
“I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.”
The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.
Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.
Hebrews 11:35-40 35. Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection. 36. Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison. 37. They were stoned ; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated-- 38. the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground. |
~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President
Knowing Frankie, probably not.
...and those brain cells come up with “it is finished”, when His work and Glory is not finished.
Sez who?
The Scriptures themselves. The same ones saying Prophets and Apostles are necessary so God can continue to add to the scripture base and send his words to man through the authorized source.
Oh?
Where?
Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding “future” plural marriage...
The Congress has no power to make law retroactive to a time before the law was enacted.
So, those marriages sealed in the Temples for time and eternity prior to the 1883 Edmunds Act and the 1887 Edmunds Tucker Act would remain legal and lawful.
I read the Bible as you read the Bible, and yet?
You seem to have an entirely different understanding of what you are reading than I?
How can that be?
Take works for example. The Bible clearly explains that members of the Christian faith will be judged by their works.
Not so in the Christian world of today.
The Bible clearly explains the nature of God. His beloved Son, and the Holy Spirit as one God.
Lost completely in the Reformation.
As well as unity of the faith.
How many Baptisms are mentioned in scripture?
Much less that absolute necessity of the correct one by those in authority.
...and speaking of authority that was always by voice of the Prophets and Apostles. Where did that run off?
Those are a part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and no amount of man made preaching is going to eliminate them from the Lord’s plan for his children.
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