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After Hamas is gone, how will Israel deradicalize Palestinians in Gaza?
JERUSALEM POST ^ | JULY 22, 2024 | MEGAN ECKSTEIN, ENIA KRIVINE

Posted on 07/22/2024 7:37:18 AM PDT by SJackson

Most Gazans approve of Hamas’s decision to launch the war on October 7 and would prefer Hamas rule over the US-backed Palestinian Authority


A book by Hitler is discovered in the house of Ahmed Samarah (photo credit: IDF SPOKESPERSON UNIT)

In June, Fadi al-Wadiya, a physiotherapist from Doctors Without Borders, was killed in an Israeli strike in Gaza. Doctors Without Borders quickly took to social media, condemning the “abhorrent” attack in multiple languages in a post that received millions of views and thousands of shares.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) responded by publishing photographic evidence that al-Wadiya was an operative in the missile program of the terrorist group Islamic Jihad in Gaza and therefore, a legitimate target. He was a physiotherapist, but he was also a terrorist.

Upon returning from a trip to the region last month, we have been struck by the inclination among Americans to assume that Hamas represents only a narrow slice of Gaza’s population. Many seem unaware, at best — or purposely ignoring, at worst — of the extent to which Hamas has its tentacles entrenched into Gazan society. That is why a sustainable peace will depend on the creation of a deradicalization campaign that helps to erode Hamas’s base of support.

Palestinian polling from June suggests that the majority of Gazans are still satisfied with Hamas and that the level of satisfaction has gradually increased since last year. Similarly, most Gazans approve of Hamas’s decision to launch the war on October 7 and would prefer Hamas rule over the US-backed Palestinian Authority (PA). Shortly after the Hamas massacre, videos surfaced of Gazan residents cheering at the sight of wounded or dead Israeli hostages arriving on trucks and motorbikes.

In early June, the IDF rescued four hostages from Gaza. Outrage swirled on social media when a prominent Gaza doctor and his renowned journalist son were killed during the raid. Except, it turns out, the doctor and journalist were actually the ones holding these hostages on behalf of Hamas.

It gets worse.

While visiting an IDF base, we watched raw footage from the October 7 attacks that had not been publicly released due to its gruesome, disturbing nature. After Hamas terrorists blew open border fences and entered Israel with rifles, grenades, missile-launchers, and anti-tank explosives, average Gazans then filed into the Israeli border communities to rape, murder, and loot. A mob of these Gazans, lacking the wartime weapons of Hamas’s military wing, killed and beheaded an agricultural worker at a kibbutz with a garden hoe.

During our trip, we also visited an IDF unit that collected intelligence from the scenes of the October 7 attack and from Gaza. The retrieved items included schoolbooks that deny the legitimacy of Israel, promote violence against its Jewish citizens, and feature games and puzzles that teach antisemitism to young Gazans.

No good can come from a blind insistence that there’s a small number of bad Hamas leaders, separate and distinct from some two million Gaza residents who just want a better life. That’s just not the reality on the ground, where Hamas is a terrorist group, a civil government, and a religious movement all rolled into one.

Frighteningly, Hamas’s tools for indoctrinating children parallel scenes from Yad Vashem, Israel’s Holocaust memorial, which features books and games from early 1930s Germany similarly teaching kids to hate Jews. One Israeli speaker told us that the Germans didn’t stop hating Jews after World War II out of the goodness of their hearts. Rather, occupying Allied personnel forced de-nazification upon them.

Untangling the web of extremism

That’s where the international community can help: by mobilizing the right people, organizations and governments to begin a deradicalization effort in Gaza and detangle the web of power and influence Hamas has built.

In theory, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), which provides food, healthcare, education, and other basic civil services to Gazans registered as refugees in 1948 and to their descendants, would lead such a deradicalization effort. But UNRWA cannot be trusted to carry out this task.

According to Israel’s Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, at least 12 UNRWA employees participated in the October 7 massacre, at least 30 more assisted, and over 10% of the agency’s employees in Gaza have ties to terror. Terrorists in Gaza have repeatedly used UNRWA facilities as bases for their operations. In February, the IDF discovered a Hamas data center hidden underneath UNRWA’s Gaza headquarters.

Breaking UNRWA’s monopoly on services in the enclave is critical.

These should be disaggregated and assigned to other UN organizations that have a global mandate. UNRWA, by contrast, was created solely for Palestinians, employs almost exclusively Palestinians, and has been co-opted by an extreme version of the Palestinian national narrative. That needs to change.

THE UNITED States can help. Our colleagues at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies published a report earlier this year that describes how.

For example, the US Agency for International Development and the US International Development Finance Corporation can centralize aid to Gaza; vet employees of the UN and other international organizations working in Gaza (such as Doctors Without Borders) to ensure their staff have no ties to terror; and help build a sustainable development model that aims for independence from aid. In so doing, they would reject the UNRWA model that perpetuates the conflict by passing entitlements from generation to generation.

Gaza needs a smart and purposeful investment and a radical deradicalization agenda.

If Germans moving past their hatred in the 1940s was hard, what needs to happen in Gaza may be tougher – but not impossible.


TOPICS: Editorial; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: gaza; hamas; israel; palestinians
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To: hanamizu

Yes, that was an aspect of Nazi rule, but one of many.

The author, Götz Aly, the descendant of a Turk (the arch-enemy of Christian Europe), is a dyed in the wool Germanophobe, and his book has been called a rehash of Daniel Goldhagen‘s theses in HWE, but he uses the materialistic and economic motive, excluding every other possible reason.

London historian Adam Tooze criticized Aly‘s single minded approach, as did Hans-Ulrich Wehler and Michael Wildt, who are German historians (rather leftist themselves).

If you ask me, Aly is not really a good historian, but more of a leftist ideologue, to whom, as to Marx, materialism matters most.

A real historian, however, has to consider every single aspect of his subject. Especially, he should do research without anger and zeal, as we Germans say, i.e. he should not come with preconceived notions and look for facts which corroborate them. Because under these circumstances, research turns into ideology.


41 posted on 07/22/2024 11:40:06 AM PDT by Menes
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To: Menes

I am somewhat aware of the criticism of Aly’s book. But my point was (and I think it is valid) that the National Socialists made of point of seeming to take care of ‘real’ Germans. I think everyone has a hard time wrapping their minds around the fact that Germans were loyal and willing to die for the regime up until the very end.

Of course the Germans fought tooth and nail against the Soviets; they knew that payback was going to be very unpleasant. But they also fought until the end in the west.

The National Socialists were in power for just about the same time as FDR (only weeks difference) and American were sad at FDR’s demise, but I’ve never heard of suicides over it. Good German young men, brought up in good Lutheran or Catholic homes did their bit in the camps and atrocities on the battlefields.

I think Aly does a good job of describing how German Jews were slowly cut off from the rest of German society and economy, not unlike a constrictor tightening up its squeeze every time a breath is taken. And then after the Jews were dead and gone, all of their ‘stuff’ was auctioned off to the highest bidder.


42 posted on 07/22/2024 12:08:35 PM PDT by hanamizu ( )
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To: hanamizu

Well, I would say that in the camps, there were the worst of the bunch.

And when your country is under attack, you do your best to fight for your loved ones, though you my not like, or even hate, your political system. Soviet soldiers did, and Axis soldiers too, as soon as their countries were affected full force.

Yes, that is one of the reasons why Russian and German veterans got quite often well along - on a personal level. They were in a similar situation.

Yes, and I regretably cannot be impartial, as I consider this dirty Turk Aly a godforsaken leftist swine, as well as a Nazi‘s son (that says it all about these foolish racial theories, on which Nazi ideology was officially based, and which had more than enough supporters in other countries. At the top, of the Nazi state, many didn’t believe in parts of it themselves)

My family saw the seamier side of the regime, I lost two family members to the Nazi terror, thus, unlike that Aly, I see no reason to spit on my heritage, my people and the whole two millennia of her history.

Maybe that explains his hatred… I should have been a psychologist 😀

P.S. :just do be absolutely clear: the years between 1933 and 45 were the worst in my people‘s history- hands down - but still I am a limb on her body. For better and for worse, till death us do part…Aly could do something I never could, he could emigrate to Turkey, where he could be among his people. Turkish nationality law has a clause to provide for a case like his (as do the nationality laws of so many European countries, to provide for their diasporas in times of need).


43 posted on 07/22/2024 12:32:47 PM PDT by Menes
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To: MinorityRepublican

yes. in the early 1900’s the communist movement attracted some Jews because it spoke about removing oppression (there was a lot of it) and human dignity and fraternity and world peace (all Jewish moral values excepting only that communism is not how Judaism hopes they’ll be brought about)

Bernie the Red is one of the old (very old) “last commies” in that he was infatuated with the Soviet Union (even vacationed there with his wife to set up a sister city)... ...and of course the Soviet Union was America’s chief ally in WW2, with the Soviets losing 27,000,000 people to USA’s 405,399). Naturally all during WW2 there was little or no reporting about Russia/Soviet Union being anything but our ally.

The odd thing is not that he learned the attractive aspects of the communist message as a youth. The odd thing is that he has never grown up and realized what a disaster communism has been in actual life, in the real world. Intelligent people demonstrate the capacity to learn from observation and experience. Bernie has never done so.


44 posted on 07/22/2024 12:53:24 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians aren't born, they're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: Tom Tetroxide

Don’t send them to Jordan. I want them further from Israel, not on a different border. King’s control of Jordan isn’t strong enough to absorb them. Via Egypt lose some within the hordes of Pakistan and Bangladesh. Lose some within the vast empty spaces of Sudan and Mali. 50+ arab states, 40k each would solve it.


45 posted on 07/22/2024 12:57:34 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (They don't care. We don't scare!)
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To: faithhopecharity
Intelligent people demonstrate the capacity to learn from observation and experience. Bernie has never done so.

You have many "intelligent" people like Bernie who lives in big cities like NYC. They tend to be more "open-minded" so they are quicker to embrace new ideas. Like communism. The problem is that new ideas may be bad.

We may be dumber in the country. But we know that the old ways work quite well.

You see this kind of phenomenon in other countries as well. France, England, Canada. They're all similar. You get out of Toronto, London or Paris. You meet people who live in the countryside. They're not "woke".

46 posted on 07/22/2024 2:36:58 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: SJackson

Reoccupy and denazify.


47 posted on 07/22/2024 4:10:36 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (My music: http://hopalongginsberg.com/ | http://mewe.com/i/hopalongginsberg)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Indeed, it is fascinating that big city folk tend, at least, to be leftist to one degree or another.

This is partly understandable from this perspective:
leftism assumes that the use of political force can “improve society” and “perfect human behavior”

indeed, one can argue that this {”substitution of the use of force for the self-respect, self-regulation, self-control, and the faith in the Divine instead of governmental power) that this is at the very core of the communist/nazi error.

At any event,
there is some need for more regulation or limitation on individual behavior if crowded large cities are to survive without the habituants breaking out in utter violence. Any undergraduate sociology student knows this from laboratory rats. You crowd them too tightly in their cages and they start attacking each other.

So, maybe there’s some need for some extra governmental limitations on individual liberties in crowded cities? It is at least a discussion topic.

Having allowed for that possibility, the core problem remains the misguided faith in governmental compulsion instead of self-regulation of behavior, the self-regulation that has traditionally been guided by Judeo=Christian moral teachings in our society.

anyway this is my thought of the evening. your mileage may differ, have at it!
cheer,


48 posted on 07/22/2024 4:48:51 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians aren't born, they're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: SJackson
Probably cannot be done since it would require eliminating influence and support from the rest of the Islamic world and Israel haters in general. Likely that would require, among other things, some new religious movement that manages to reach deeper into Palestinian identity than Islam and fosters a sort of "f&(% you we're not Arabs" and "Islam hasn't done sh%t for us" sort of mentality.

It's worth assembling a highly financed think tank of social scientists, psychologists, and intelligence officials to design this new religion, if this is not underway already.

49 posted on 07/22/2024 6:10:56 PM PDT by Right Wing Vegan (The one most called "dangerous" by minions of the pot normalization conspiracy)
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To: SJackson

Moslems, members ALL of an EVIL DEATH CULT — ISLAM — HATE ALL non-Moslems!

Shoot, they even hate some Moslems.

The Shia — Sunni conflict is the world’s longest lasting Hatfield - McCoy type feud. They have been killing each other since Mohammed died.


50 posted on 07/22/2024 7:18:50 PM PDT by Taxman ((SAVE AMERICA! VOTE REPUBLICAN IN 2024! SAVE AMERICA!))
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To: SJackson
One Israeli speaker told us that the Germans didn't stop hating Jews after World War II out of the goodness of their hearts. Rather, occupying Allied personnel forced de-nazification upon them.

Exactly right. And the German governments that eventually took over from the occupation forces not only continued but, in many cases, even strengthened these policies. I believe that even today the Nazi salute, songs such as the Horst Wessel Lied and other remnants of that sorry era are banned.

51 posted on 07/22/2024 8:08:52 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: SJackson
They, won't - probably CAN'T!


Genesis 16:12 kjv

And he will be a wild man;
his hand will be against every man,
and every man's hand against him;
and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

52 posted on 07/23/2024 3:59:22 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: lurk

Yup. That’s the way it reads.


53 posted on 07/23/2024 4:02:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: KingofZion

I think there’s gonna be wars, and even rumors of wars, until Jesus returns.


54 posted on 07/23/2024 4:03:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JohnBovenmyer

55 posted on 07/23/2024 5:45:53 AM PDT by Tom Tetroxide
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To: Vigilanteman

That is true. A few years ago, iirc, a Canadian tourist was sent to prison for giving a Nazi salute in front of the Reichstag building.

I‘m sorry he had been unaware of this law, and how mercilessly it is being enforced.

Furthermore, the Imperial Diet, to use the English translation, was not used as a parliamentary building after the fire in early 1933.

The members of the Reichstag gathered in the Kroll- Opera house until 45, no more in the Imperial Diet. The Kroll Opera House is not extant, while the old building was left half repaired as an exhibition hall.

Soviet propaganda reenacted the hoisting of the Blood-rag one day after the Red Army had taken Berlin, taking good care to retouch the photo - covering up the fact that the concerned soldier was wearing several watches on his wrist 🤣


56 posted on 07/23/2024 7:12:19 AM PDT by Menes
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To: Menes

Very much appreciate the further clarification by a native German. As I am sure you are aware, the Nazis were far left, not far right. They just hated (some) different people than today’s far left.


57 posted on 07/23/2024 9:44:40 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Yes, they were. They opposed all individual freedom, just as their hostile brothers, the communists, did😔

However, by mainland European „political standards“, the Nazis are often considered right wing, due to their racial hatred, which they don’t consider egalitarian. Egalitarianism, however, is viewed as the hallmark of a leftist ideology.

In theory,there were differences between the Reds and the Browns. In practice, they were almost alike.

Like all leftists…


58 posted on 07/23/2024 11:52:55 AM PDT by Menes
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