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Your Religious Values Are Not American Values
The New York Times ^ | July 4, 2024 | Pamela Paul

Posted on 07/04/2024 5:19:06 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

Christian nationalists aim to impose their beliefs on others.

Whenever a politician cites “Judeo-Christian values,” I find it’s generally followed by something unsettling.

Last month brought two flagrant instances. In both cases, Republican officials introduced state laws that formalize precepts of the Christian nationalist movement — in the words of the National Association of Christian Lawmakers (A.D. 2019), “doing everything we can to restore the Judeo-Christian foundation of our nation.”

On June 19, Gov. Jeff Landry of Louisiana signed legislation requiring public classrooms to display the Ten Commandments, a practice struck down as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in 1980. A rich endorsement came via Donald Trump, who crowed, “I LOVE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS, PRIVATE SCHOOLS, AND MANY OTHER PLACES, FOR THAT MATTER. READ IT — HOW CAN WE, AS A NATION, GO WRONG???”

One week later, Landry’s fellow Christian soldier Ryan Walters, Oklahoma’s superintendent of public instruction, announced plans to mandate teaching the Bible in public schools. Walters said learning the Bible is necessary to having “an understanding of the basis of our legal system.”

Forgive me for wondering: Is he referring to “an eye for an eye” or the stoning of disobedient children?

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Either way, for both Trump and true believers, it hardly matters that the First Amendment was intended to protect religion from the state, not to have the state impose a religion. (So much for originalism.) Their goal is to impose one form of religion, Christianity,...


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To: Brookhaven

Culturally Christian. That is probably why John Adams said

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

John Adams


61 posted on 07/05/2024 6:23:06 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( Government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is force!--G. Washington)
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To: ActresponsiblyinVA

That is the question.

“Let’s ban the list of behaviors that underpin a civil society from our schooling system.”. That is their argument.


62 posted on 07/05/2024 7:09:47 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: GBA
From Adrian Rogers: The Only Hope for America | Part 2
63 posted on 07/05/2024 7:19:35 AM PDT by GBA (Endeavor to persevere. Onward through the fog …)
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To: rellic

Don’t forget this, but Jesus Christ was a Jew.


As were the first Christians. As Jesus said to the Samaritan women, “salvation is of the Jews.”

In Galatians 5, Paul tells us we should love our neighbor as ourself.

He goes on to say we should not indulge the flesh. That is, sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like.

Rather, he encourages us to live in the spirit; love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

Whether we are Christian are not, we would all do well to follow this good advice from Paul.


64 posted on 07/05/2024 7:41:57 AM PDT by rwa265
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To: joesbucks
1. I see "freedom of religion" specified in the First Amendment,...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

...but nowhere in the US Constitution do I see "freedom from religion" specified. Could you point it out to me?

2. I see the establishment of government schools decreed in the Communist Manifesto,...

Free Education for All Children in Public Schools. Abolition of Children's Factory Labor in it's Present Form. Combination of Education with Industrial Production.

...but nowhere do I see the establishment of government schools decreed in the US Constitution. Could you point it out to me?

65 posted on 07/05/2024 8:19:35 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████ ████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I’m looking for presidential immunity. Can’t find it.

btw, schools are a state issue. So my guess would be under the 10th.

66 posted on 07/05/2024 8:23:57 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks

I was right about not knowing what you were babbling about. I knew I shouldn’t have bothered with you. My fault.


67 posted on 07/05/2024 8:30:04 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████ ████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

So you can’t point me to presidential immunity. Thought so.


68 posted on 07/05/2024 9:12:47 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks

I thought you were responding to my actual comment.

Silly me.


69 posted on 07/05/2024 9:15:00 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████ ████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I did. Schools are a states issue.


70 posted on 07/05/2024 10:01:26 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The biblical underpinnings of America were so obvious to previous generations that in 1892, even the US Supreme Court had no difficulty in rendering a unanimous decision with what may be a surprising declaration for us today.

No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, state, or national, because this is a religious people.

This is a Christian nation. What would lead the US Supreme Court to conclude that? America's history is the answer. The court's decision in that case was only 16 pages long, but in those 16 pages; the court provided almost 80 different historical precedents proving that America was indeed a Christian nation.

The court referenced the founding fathers, the acts of Congress and the state governments, previous court decisions, and many other official actions to reach its conclusion that America was indeed a Christian nation.

71 posted on 07/05/2024 10:29:13 AM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Interesting that the Democrat Party operative is all wee-wee’d up about presidential immunity - just like any Democrat Underground stalwart would be...


72 posted on 07/05/2024 8:13:21 PM PDT by kiryandil (FR Democrat Party operatives! Rally in defense of your Colombian cartel stooge Merchan!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Just three of the educational organizations that keep whole libraries, not just a bookcase, documenting the overwhelming Biblicist Christian influence on and contributions to America’s founding and development are . . . .

Wallbuilders
https://wallbuilders.com

Foundation for American Christian Education
https://face.net

American Vision
www.AmericanVision.org


73 posted on 07/05/2024 8:27:28 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: Gene Eric

What would be a hoot is for someone to ask this person “what would be your response if the Christians simply separated themselves from you? would that be okay?”

I am getting tired of ignorant atheists running their mouths off about Christianity and the Bible when it is obvious that they do not know what they are talking about.


74 posted on 07/06/2024 3:18:20 PM PDT by Ban Draoi Marbh Draoi ( Gen. 12:3: a warning to all antisemites)
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