Posted on 06/21/2024 8:21:27 PM PDT by hardspunned
Trump says that the war in Ukraine started because of NATO expansion.
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“Appease? Is that what Eisenhower through Reagan did by not pushing NATO to Russia’s borders?”
For that matter, Reagan didn’t even consider pushing NATO into Austria or Finland. He knew things were stable with those two countries neutral, and both countries were also free and prosperous. Ukraine might have fared better if they had followed that model, as it certainly worked out fine for Austria and Finland, and they were up against a far nastier country than Russia, that being the Soviet Union (as in Stalin).
“NATO added Poland and a few other EAST european countries after the USSR fell apart.”
Well it’s not like they were forced to join and had no say in the matter
Nothing fits the geography of North ATLANTIC Treaty Organization like the former Soviet Republic of Georgia. /s
—> and I HATE Putin and his dream to reassemble the old Soviet Union.
Going to need a link of Putin saying that.
So far no one can find one.
Even if I don't like what he says, he's usually right.
In this case, it's almost obvious, but there are folks that want to pretend like the cause is something else.
Usually they start rambling about some Soviet Empire, call anyone disagreeing with them a communist, discard any fact that goes against them as “propaganda,” and make claims about some Russian conquest of Europe or their former republics which are not even remotely feasible/possible given Russia's military and economic capabilities.
But, when it's “reason vs. emotions,” guess what usually wins?
Trump is right, of course, but he needs to be careful not to alienate folks which are generally on his side.
Ukraine is literally a “stupid war.”
An incredible loss of wealth and life, that was entirely unnecessary, predictable, and avoidable.
—The average Ukrainian has not benefited from this war.
—The average American has not benefited from this war. Tell me how I am more wealthy, free or safe now? In fact, things are more dangerous, and this war is burning up our wealth.
—No one can really provide a viable national security argument for why we had to expand NATO into Ukraine as we did.
Insane!!!
This war is either the Biden administration making another gross policy mistake and causing a war accidentally out of bad judgment (bet big on a weak hand in a gamble), or being outright evil and doing it intentionally.
I truly hope that I am wrong and that we didn't do this intentionally to weaken Russia. If that is the case, we made a real scumbag move by playing Ukraine and all those lives as expendable pawns in a Geo-political chess game.
But whatever the case may be, we need to end this lunacy.
Trump is right as usual.
Not to diminish his insight on it but it’s not exactly rocket surgery.
And what was there to fear? The strongest economic powers in Europe were in the process of letting their militaries atrophy into almost nothing. No honest person with half a brain thought that NATO was getting ready to invade Russia. Furthermore, as everybody including Putin knows, Russia's nuclear arsenal meant that NATO would never invade Russia anyway.
The highly predictable truth was that it was only Russia's invasion of Ukraine that reinvigorated NATO. Putin was willing to risk that not because of some bogus fear of NATO, but because he wanted to grab Ukrainian territory and knew that he would lose his chance to do so if Ukraine joined NATO.
The level of dishonesty of those here who argue the opposite is staggering. Or I suppose just plain stupidity is always a possibility as well.
“”””Appease? Is that what Eisenhower through Reagan did by not pushing NATO to Russia’s borders?”””””
Huh? I don’t believe you thought that one out.
“Appreciate the honesty. Let’s see if the other NeverTrumpers also support Biden.”
Saving Ukraine is more important than saving America with this crowd.
Proof that Russia doesn’t fear NATO invading them is of course the collapse of their empire with no invasion but today it is the indifference to defenses they maintain against NATO, they want Ukraine and anything they need from other supposedly defensive areas threatened by NATO being on that border, they casually pull it out and send it to Ukraine invasion forces without a care in the world that they are leaving that NATO border area weak and only symbolically manned and equipped.
The west has its problems but Russia is an oppressive clownshow for the average citizen the likes of which you cannot imagine until living there. The feeling there is unshakeable and you quickly will understand why so much booze is used to numb it.
Not even children of the wealthiest oligarchs want to live there because it is unsafe and oppressive even for them.
"NATO expansion" is the obvious will of free people. A better standard of living accross the border is the biggest threat to an oppressive gangster state that is now lashing out.
Ha
The crap you post, and the screen name you chose, and you call someone else stupid. What a joke.
“Russia attacked Ukraine because of NATO expansion” is a pathetic joke of an argument.”
You’re right for the wrong reason. This is just another one of those stupid, bloody ethnic border wars the Europeans have been having for centuries. The Russians not looking to rebuild the Soviet Union, else they would never have let it break up in 1991. That argument is bogus.
So you’re talking all other countries Sweden and Finland, right?
Trump didn’t think Putin was psycho.
Thought his war rhetoric was a negotiating tactic. But he turned out to be psycho.
nice alternative history, Crimea was Russia long before a Ukraine nation.
Ukraine didn’t have nuclear missiles. They were Russian missiles in Ukraine.
Not true. Talk of ATO expansion into Ukraine began in 2008
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