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California's Democratic leaders clash with businesses over curbing retail theft. Here's what to know
Associated Press via Yahoo ^ | June 15, 2024 | TRÂN NGUYỄN

Posted on 06/15/2024 3:02:11 AM PDT by grundle

California's Democratic leadership, backed by Gov. Gavin Newsom, wants to keep the tough-on-crime measure off the November ballot. They worry the ballot measure's proposal would disproportionately criminalize low-income people and those with substance use issues rather than target ringleaders who hire large groups of people to steal goods for them to resell online.

If voters approve the tough-on-crime ballot initiative, Democratic leaders plan to void most measures in their own legislative package, citing potential conflicts.

Lawmakers were short on details about how the two paths conflict earlier this week. Later, they said they fear if both efforts succeed, law enforcement would be able to stack penalties and send more people to jails, leading to mass incarceration and overcrowded jails.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: anarchotyranny; california; crime; dystopia; retail; theft
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To: wetgundog

Just move out of Californicate? And it’s pretty much proven they will Californicate their new home. Their own nest is too dirty to live in, so they just move on to soil another.

I’d say a border wall around Kalifonria is as important as one for Mexico.


21 posted on 06/15/2024 4:48:47 AM PDT by redfreedom (Joseph Stalin: "It does not mater how anyone votes, how votes are counted is what matters.")
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To: Gnome1949

Sheriff Joe Arpaio used military tents to house prisoners in the AZ desert. He said that if it was good enough for our soldiers, it was more than good enough for criminals.

They were given bologna sandwiches and could watch either PBS or the weather Channel on TV.

It was too dangerous to escape given the heat, distance without water and the critters in the desert.

Libs had a cow over it. He was treating people like crimimals.


22 posted on 06/15/2024 4:49:09 AM PDT by IAGeezer912 (One out of every 20 people on the face of the earth are Americans. We have won life's lottery.)
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To: Gnome1949
Don’t put criminals in jail? How has that been successful in all of world history?

If you're trying to install yourself as a dictator? Very.

23 posted on 06/15/2024 4:54:56 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to kill us. Plan to avoid this.)
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To: grundle

I fail to understand the “mass incarceration” and “overcrowded prisons”. I have seen the footage. There is not nearly enough incarceration. Either that or incarceration isn’t a deterrent. What would be a deterrent?


24 posted on 06/15/2024 5:31:40 AM PDT by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: grundle

It’s really hard to reduce crime if the people responsible for prosecuting and punishing the guilty don’t want to. Why it’s almost like they identify more with criminals than they do with the lawful. Economic desolation will be the result.


25 posted on 06/15/2024 5:36:54 AM PDT by Rlsau1
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To: Rlsau1

As always...if you are a LIB-leaning nitwit, if you move, don’t bring your self-destructive idiocy with you. You aren’t wanted in civil society.


26 posted on 06/15/2024 5:52:05 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp??)
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Cali Democrats, backed by Gov. Gavin Nuisance, oppose tougher law enforcement; the fear is
<><>l/e would stack penalties
<><>send more people to jails,
<><>engendering mass incarcerations and overcrowded jails.....
<><>which would impact their loyal voting blocs.


27 posted on 06/15/2024 6:08:12 AM PDT by Liz (This then is how we should pray: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name . )
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To: grundle
Instead of hanging the bad guys from lampposts, maybe a stronger message would be to hang some politicians from lampposts with a message about "let criminals go free, and harassed law-abiding citizens".

This notion of street justice against the bad guys doesn't work, it has not worked, and it's unlikely to work in the future.

28 posted on 06/15/2024 6:13:15 AM PDT by Bernard (“God's cruelest punishment is to let you reap what you sow.”)
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To: grundle

And Gavin Nobrain wants to make the US just like he’s made California aka CaliFUBAR ... riiiiiiight


29 posted on 06/15/2024 6:19:27 AM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: Flag_This

Water board the mules
= = =

This is probably why they are shutting off our water.

So we can’t use it on them.


30 posted on 06/15/2024 6:26:44 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Running Rampant, and not endorsing nonsense; My pronoun is EXIT. And I am generally full of /S)
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To: TStro
Also build more prisons.

Prisons and mental hospitals aren't coming back. Despite their workers voting 90% Demonrat, they are too expensive, even for big government. Over time, AI-enabled ankle bracelets with instant taser technology could reintegrate a percentage of re-trainables into civilized society. The rest are destined for Demonrat-run permanent tent cities.

31 posted on 06/15/2024 6:31:11 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: grundle

If voters approve the tough-on-crime ballot initiative.

Get a lottery ticket you odds are much higher of winning.

They made California what it is today and proud of it s**t hole #1.


32 posted on 06/15/2024 7:03:28 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Gnome1949

They deserve every thing that happens to them. They vote for the morons that make the laws.


33 posted on 06/15/2024 7:28:49 AM PDT by abbastanza (he)
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To: grundle

The result when the criminals elect the government.


34 posted on 06/15/2024 8:03:09 AM PDT by Lockbar (Even when you think you finally have enough ammo, you still really don't have enough. )
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To: grundle

That is typical CaCaLand. Protect the criminals, which is why they protect illegal aliens.

How about cutting off hands? Old Testament, but it would probably work and no one ends up in prison.

Alternatively, do what a Florida sheriff did when he told home owners to shoot home invaders — “save the state some $$”. He also offered state sponsored training so they could shoot straighter.
Issue firearms with frangible bullets to all store security and tell them to fire away.


35 posted on 06/15/2024 8:08:34 AM PDT by bobbo666 (Baizuo, )
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To: grundle

This is a poison pill, Newsom doing everything he can to keep a repeal of Prop 47 off of the ballot.

The regime in Sacramento is criminal friendly and has a stated goal of “closing the prisons” - by downgrading crimes to misdemeanors and releasing the criminals back onto the streets.

High crime, businesses closing due to high theft, productive citizens fleeing the state - NONE of that matters to the Newsom administration b/c THEY and their loved ones live behind gates with 24/7 armed guards. They also know the state voters are majority Democrat, Newsom defeated a recall in a landslide - and they’ll use vote fraud methods (mail-in or absentee ballots, vote harvesting) to elect their own.


36 posted on 06/15/2024 8:16:34 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (You Say You Want a Revolution?)
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To: Jonty30

Locked up merchandise - which I see ALL OVER THE PLACE in stores in California might deter shoplifters, but it causes shoppers like me to order from Amazon so I don’t have to search the store to find someone with a key to open up the plexiglass coverings.

I went to a Safeway in San Francisco where each and every aisle of the entire store had locked plexiglass covering the shelves.

Why bother? Easier to order directly for home delivery either from the store itself or Amazon - my neighborhood is full of delivery trucks at all hours of the day - and into the night.


37 posted on 06/15/2024 8:19:56 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (You Say You Want a Revolution?)
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To: grundle
They worry the ballot measure's proposal would disproportionately criminalize low-income people...

"The common argument that crime is caused by poverty is a kind of slander on the poor." -H. L. Mencken

The democrats' real, unspoken concern is, that the proposal would disproportionately incarcerate blacks, even if penalties were fairly applied.

38 posted on 06/15/2024 8:34:43 AM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: grundle

Democrats don’t want to lose the criminal vote.


39 posted on 06/15/2024 8:42:18 AM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: Flag_This

It’s a standard technique: offer plea deals for the little fish, if they testify against the bigger fish.

But for it to WORK, the little fish need to actually be facing significant consequences.


40 posted on 06/15/2024 8:44:37 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Either you will rule. Or you will be ruled. There is no other choice.)
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