Posted on 06/04/2024 11:32:29 AM PDT by DFG
Disturbing footage shows a terrified autistic 19-year-old desperately asking cops to listen to him before he hit his head repeatedly and died in custody.
Isaiah Trammell, was taunted, belittled and threatened by nine guards as he begged for his medication at the Montgomery County Jail in Ohio in March, 2023.
In surveillance videos obtained by The Columbus Dispatch, officers are seen telling the autistic man he was 'ridiculous,' 'embarrassing' and 'acting like an a**.'
Trammell was strapped into a restraint chair twice and threatened a third time if he did not calm down.
Unable to calm himself, Trammell proceeded to bang his head on the cell door as he desperately screamed: 'Let me out'
No one listened as Trammell asked for his medications, a phone call and a blanket, according to the Dispatch.
Less than 10 hours after he arrived in jail, Trammell was being taken to the hospital in an ambulance.
Trammell died three days later, with the coroner ruling it a suicide.
The young man had been banging his head repeatedly before he was booked and throughout the night.
He told police head-banging was 'the only way I know to get rid of the crazy in my head.'
Trammell's mother Brandy Abner told The Columbus Patch that Trammel had a history of banging his head as a coping mechanism.
Previously, his family had called for help and he had stared in the hospital for days.
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Things just get worse and worse and worse and worse all the time.
It’s extremely atypical for autistic people to need institutionalization in an asylum. Some with severe autism need to be in care homes because they are usually non-verbal and need to be looked after, but high-functioning autistic people do not. Autism is considered a neurological disorder (and some would say, merely a neurological “difference”) and not a typical mental illness. If your relative is genuinely nuts and needs to be in an asylum, then there are probably additional issues going on beyond autism. You appear to be basing your larger conclusions on one, non-standard case.
If this kid had an outstanding arrest warrant because he became violent with his sister, I suspect that they didn’t go get him because they knew that he had somehow not been given his meds at the right time.
Why couldn’t there just have been a note explaining that the guy is stable when he’s properly medicated so if there’s a problem make sure to give him his meds?
That would have been safer for all involved.
And as AppyPappy brought up earlier, the cops are not allowed to give sedatives that could help a lot. I understand that those could be abused and that there could be drug interactions that contra-indicate the use of sedatives. But training could help a lot. And media and activist groups stopping their lying about things like George Floyd could help a lot too. The police training was that subduing somebody in the throes of fentanyl overdose is to keep them from being physically agitated which makes them unable to breathe and ultimately kills them before they can get to a hospital where drugs can be given to get them past the dangerous point. Drugs that the police at one time were allowed to have on hand but no longer had available because of “pro-Black activists”.
The George Floyd case was a very teachable moment. But alas, politics ALWAYS comes before human life. Sick.
No. The people who do that aren't crazy. They're EVIL. There's a difference, and we all need to learn it. I'm tired of evil government people being called crazy. They're doing wrong, they know they're doing wrong, and they deliberately and willfully do it anyway. Evil.
I can’t help but wonder why he reached that point
The article isn't clear on why the police were called in the first place. The article did state that there was a misdemeanor domestic violence warrant for this fellow ... and things completely blew out of control when the cops found out about it.
Training would probably help
Assuming they're trainable. The unintelligent sadistic thugs who increasingly populate the police profession need to be weeded out first. No amount of training will help them.
I suspect that at least some evil masochists
The word you're looking for here is "sadists", and I absolutely agree that policing seems to attract them.
FRiend, I’m not ignorant. I just don’t agree with you.
It seems we are more in agreement than non-agreement. I’m sorry I reacted to your first post so harshly.
I just can’t handle most of what I see these days. My heart is sensitive to evil and I have a little bit of PTSD type reactions because of my own experiences with evil in this world. Sometime all I can do is go pull weeds and pray that God will once again get me through what I am forced to see.
My Dad was on the front lines in Korea and had PTSD as a result. I once asked him what it was like there and he said, “I was over there so you wouldn’t ever have to know what it was like.” Later in life when he realized that I was trying to confront the same evil forces that had pitted him against the North Korean rice farmer who was just trying to feed his family, he feared for me. I think because he knew what I was up against and he knew I would end up seeing the same evil that he saw. And he was right. It’s the same evil. And it makes me just as sick as it made him.
I’ve seen enough news on FR for today I think. My soul is too sick, seen too much darkness. I need to go pull some weeds and pray.
Article says he had a history of beating his head, and ending up in the hospital.
Why were the police called to respond to what has been labeled a mental health problem? The kid had a long history of mental health issues, and should have been taken to a hospital where a doctor or doctors could have ordered him placed in a hospital mental ward to be evaluated. I'm sure he's been that route before. In reality, he should have been confined long-term in a mental institution.
This is a primary problem in States that have dumped the mentally ill out on the street, and closed psychiatric centers to save money. They won't say it was to save money, and claim the mentally ill can get the treatments they need within their community. This kid is a prime example that they aren't.
Those mentally ill individuals dumped from the centers, eventually make it into the prison system. I know, because it happened in NY State in the early 1980's after Mario Cuomo closed a whole bunch of psych centers. Then, because of the increase in the mentally ill ending up in prison, Cuomo ended up turning those closed psych centers into prisons, one of which I worked at for many years.
Now, since 2021, Andrew Cuomo and Hochul closed 6 prisons, and Hochul is closing 6 more this year. They're saying it's because crime is down, which we know to be bull$hit. It's to save money, the same reason they gave for shutting down psych centers. I'd bet the same thing has happened in Ohio too. The first departments to get defunded are law enforcement and prisons. Once they dump the nut cases and convicted felons back on the street, it's somebody else's problem, not the State's.
Police aren't doctors and can't dispense anything, or make any kind of diagnoses. Jails have their own doctors on call to deal with this type of problem. Truth be told, the police shouldn't have even been called to respond to someone banging their head all night.
Unfortunately, its going to get worse now that they are getting training on “what to do” on mental health calls.
Ive seen it a number of times now where some police chief gets the whole force training on handling individuals with mental health issues.
They show up often having been called by the person with the problem or a bystander that has no idea what is going on.
The cops show up, ignore everything that the staff or guardian is trying to do, often backed by a program with several medical PHDs involved, in a manner that is already proven over years to work for that person and then stick their nose in where theyre not helpful or needed. In this situation the inevitable outcome is is worse for the individual struggling and winds up costing the taxpayers more.
Should they have some training for when there isnt staff and guardians already involved, some random individual on the street? Sure, absolutely but they also need some training to understand when they should be involved. Those other individuals trying to handle the situation have to back down when the police get their as they are “emergency responders”.
When the fire department or ambulance shows up and there isnt really a problem they dont start a fire or shoot someone just to have something to do. The police often times engage in exactly that behavior because “we know what to do and we are in charge here”.
You see, we do still have “asylums” but after the mental health hospital has worked with a person, most are placed with an organization that turns a private living facility into a personal dwelling designed around their needs. That could mean a lot of things. Sometimes that means a kitchen and all sharps in an area they cant access, sometimes it means 1/2 inch plexi on the interior of all the windows and 1800lb magnetic locks on the doors.
Ill never forget the time two officers showed up in a situation where an individual was locked into their own home for their own safety. I had not called the police for assistance, the situation was underway when I arrived and relieved the person that was already there. I was outside and explained the situation to the officers and showed them the paperwork from the state showing placement and authorization of this type of restraint.
They asked to enter. I explained that of course I had to follow their directives but their records should show that this had happened before and we both knew what was going to happen so please, it is very important that they absolutely DO NOT let this person out of their home. They had made jokes about the persons stature and stated their disbelief that anything was going to occur. They laughed as I unlocked the door and relocked it behind them.
Ten minutes later they were at the window flagging me to open the door. I opened it and they came walking out with the person I asked them to leave inside. It was a nice summer day and they were laughing and joking with this person like they were heading to a picnic.
Well, they were up until they got out onto the middle of the front lawn. Thats when the person that lived there smiled at me and started beating the living shit out of the two officers. Its obvious they are trying to be gentle with this person at first because Im standing there and Im a witness, maybe they think Im going to file a complaint or something.
The melee goes on for a bit across a couple of different yards and they are “in charge” so Im just trailing behind in case I can be of assistance in some way. We are well beyond where an officer would normally be allowed to use force but they know that theyve screwed up and this person just keeps railing on them and the damage to the officers is starting to accumulate while they try various efforts to restrain this person.
The lead officer eventually yells, “What is your protocol to get them back in?” I yell back, “The protocol is to not let them out in the first place.” Im not going to drag through all the details of me getting involved and how this person was eventually restrained.
I just jump to the end. The cost was that individual wound up in a mental health hospital for awhile costing taxpayers what Im told was around $10,000/day, and then ran up whatever the cost was to stay in the jail for awhile, two officers with some moderate to significant but temporary injuries, the cost to the taxpayers of a pointless court appearance and all that that entails, and a person with a mental health problem with minor injuries having missed meds causing difficulties getting back on the program when they returned home.
If they had listened to me in the first place the total would have been possibly another nuisance call to 911 and me paying someone a little overtime to wash some ketchup or something off of the windows.
Which is where he should have been taken to begin with. Not call the police to respond for mental health care.
Police used to respond to pick up drunks. They'd take them to the hospital where a doctor would order that person to be transported to the local alcohol ward at the psych center. The psych center had their own security unit that would go to the hospital, restrain the drunk, and transport them back to the psych center. Once they dropped him off at the ward, he was their problem. I did that job for about six months, then took a pay raise working in corrections. I figured if I was going to be knocked about, I might as well do it as a grade 12, rather than a grade 9.
If your son had a habit of hitting his head repeatedly and ending up in the hospital because of it, would you call the police to respond? Or would you call an ambulance or a doctor who was treating him to get him help?
Precisely. See my comment at #47.
That right there is a big part of the problem. Too many police officers think of themselves as masters rather than servants. Too many think they're the "main character" rather than support.
Thats when the person that lived there smiled at me and started beating the living shit out of the two officers.
Elsewhere on FR is a current thread about some dingbat that got gored after trying to take a selfie with a bison at Yellowstone NP. Mess with the bull, get the horns. It's not like you didn't warn those idiots ...
I dont know anything about this situation but our society has been so brainwashed into if you see something do something and contact the authorities that I can tell you that its often times people standing by that thought they heard something or saw something and didnt know that the proper person to handle it was already there.
Not everyone is dumped on the streets or gets to stay on the streets. Some of those “on the streets” are only temporarily wandering around because the system says that those that are supposed to oversee them in the community must let them have their freedom as long as they arent exhibiting the types of behaviors that are considered to be an imminent threat to health and well being.
Yeah, they're on the street temporarily until they are either arrested and put in jail, or act-out and are sent back to a psych ward temporarily for yet another evaluation, then released again. And the vicious cycle starts once again.
All of these BS mental health policies were enacted to save money, so it can be used for more liberal programs like taking care of illegals. The people who need help don't get it. The people who need long-term help don't get it. They are in and out of a system that is full of revolving doors. The States play musical chairs with people's lives, not just the mentally ill, but the people who become victims of the mentally ill as well.
Trammell proceeded to bang his head on the cell door as he desperately screamed: ‘Let me out’
That’s just crazy. No wonder he needed an ambulance. Those doors are heavy and not be messed with.
Another Reagan mistake getting rid of asylums. I know they made him.
I agree.
What Im saying is that the threshold for when the state gets involved and what can and must be done absolutely has to move to a place better for the disabled individual and for society than what it is set at today.
The problem is that some people want moved to where anyone that wears odd clothes needs to be institutionalized. There is a person I heard of named Obama that suggests that conservatives are really fishy people, and a couple of FBI chiefs have said that they have it on good authority that all conservatives are dangerous armed racist survivalists planning insurrection, and a couple of individuals responsible for health care saying that anyone that doesnt believe and follow their proclamations has mental health issues and should be rounded up forced to take the prescribed therapy and incarcerated in camps until they are considered to no longer be a threat.
Those conservatives are some wild and wacky people, you best be careful around them.
All the whining people do regarding the mental healthcare community and the police is honestly not going to do anything to help until society decides it ready to enforce a more stringent neck tie policy for politicians.
There used to be something called a medic alert bracelet. Wearing it would alert LEO’s etc about the condition. A person who has something that could lead to catastrophe like a low blood sugar event for a diabetic or a mentally ill person off his meds should wear one. A card in a wallet can be separated from the person or overlooked.
This death is a sad situation.
“We used to have police and not goon squads.”
They’ve always been goon squads.
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