Posted on 06/04/2024 6:35:37 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
WASHINGTON (AP) — Many Americans still aren’t sold on going electric for their next car purchase. High prices and a lack of easy-to-find charging stations are major sticking points, a new poll shows.
About 4 in 10 U.S. adults say they would be at least somewhat likely to buy an EV the next time they buy a car, according to the poll by The Associated Press, while 46% say they are not too likely or not at all likely to purchase one.
The poll results, which echo an AP-NORC poll from last year, show that President Joe Biden’s election-year plan to dramatically raise EV sales is running into resistance from American drivers. Only 13% of U.S. adults say they or someone in their household owns or leases a gas-hybrid car, and just 9% own or lease an electric vehicle.
A new rule from the Environmental Protection Agency requires that about 56% of all new vehicle sales be electric by 2032, along with at least 13% plug-in hybrids or other partially electric cars. Auto companies are investing billions in factories and battery technology in an effort to speed up the switch to EVs to cut pollution, fight climate change — and meet the deadline.
EVs are a key part of Biden’s climate agenda. Republicans led by presumptive nominee Donald Trump are turning it into a campaign issue.
Younger people are more open to eventually purchasing an EV than older adults. More than half of those under 45 say they are at least “somewhat” likely to consider an EV purchase. About 32% of those over 45 are somewhat likely to buy an EV, the poll shows.
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If there was some type of income cap to get the $7500 tax credit I am sure his income would be over the limit.
He owns his own business. So, I am not sure how much he pays himself. I do not think the Tesla is a “company car”. I would think the Dodge pickup is.
FYI, he took me and his wife in the back seat out to some straight road a few miles out of town. There were farmers fields on both sides of the road for at least a mile straight.
He came to a stop and then put it in what he called “Rocket ship mode”. We had to wait 2 minutes for the battery to cool down. The bell tolled and he said to put my head back against the head rest then he punched it. I looked at the speedometer about ten seconds later and we were doing 135 mph. He backed off and we rolled to a stop eventually.
The only thing I could compare it to was the Rock and Roll Coaster at MGM Disneyworld. It starts out level and hits 75 mph in 3 seconds.
I absolutely hear you on the tax credit. I used to be exactly the same way, thinking of it as my money. But now that Liberals are spending us into Oblivion, it is so overwhelming that I’ve given up. It’s not my money it’s every generation from here going forward. And if they’re going to give that money too everything from students majoring in something they can’t get a job with to a corrupt foreign country, a few thousand dollars is a small percentage. If we ever get back to fiscal responsibility then I’ll get back to thinking that way
I guess im naive enough to think that people will research before they buy one. If they intend to use it as their only car, they are indeed foolish. I can’t imagine anybody being that stupid. But yes, I do know there are Biden voters.
Insurance, whether it be homeowners or automobile, that’s just all speculation. Might happen, might not. Nobody has a crystal ball, just theories. Things are pretty lacks here in tennessee. Lots of personal freedoms, insurance companies here are nothing like what we dealt with in california. Or even texas.
Since I only drive local and there’s not a lake in sight that has a ferry, not an issue.
Thank you for your reasons responses. Time will tell! And it won’t break my heart to get rid of it. We already have too many vehicles/husband toys. I didn’t even mention the motorcycles! LOL
Yes, which is why I only charge the big battery for my Stihl Hedge trimmer or chainsaw in my garage. I also never leave it plugged in at night.
That way there is at least 5/8 firecode Type X drywall between my house and the garage.
My wife has a suitcase that has a built in battery to charge her phone. Anytime we travel on a plane the gate agent makes sure she takes that battery out of the suitcase.
This is also why they want everyone to pull their laptop out of their carry on bags. To make sure your laptop does not feel hot because your battery is overheating.
I fully recognize that he is not an advocate, so his videos, while educational, are not impartial. Fully not impartial at all. He does resonate with me, since I have a degree in Chemistry and can follow his technical discussions reasonably well (He is an engineer turned lawyer...there's a path)
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When I watched this, I was fully prepared to do the Simpson's "Haha!" complete with pointed finger, but...I actually felt pity. I visualized in my mind all of these people virtue signaling as they "save the planet", but in reality, most of them were just dupes.
They believed what the government told them.
It reminded me of the famous scene from the movie "Animal House" when Flounder's car is destroyed, and his buddies cheerfully say "Hey! You f**ked up. You trusted us."
Many of these people (not all!) were just not prepared either mentally or physically for what they faced when the temperature plummeted.
When the a-holes in government pushed people into this, even to the point of mandating it in a few years, it made my blood boil.
Shock and awe, and no subtlety. The old stories didn’t spell everything out in gruesomely graphic detail, and the imagining that the reader had to do to fill in the rest was in some ways the scariest part of all. I’m not being original when I mention that the most horrifying things to each of us come from within ourselves. Those old writers knew that.
Isn’t Ford losing thousands on each car they sell? LOL. Yeah the first adopters are now in the cars and the rest of us are seeing when the batteries need to be changed before we buy.
Yes, surely public officials are on the ball with the grid build out? They can’t burn fossil fuels can they - I mean fossil fuels are evil.
Did not know about the battery heat test.
Thanks. I never fly now.
The money went to subsidize EV manufacturers to keep them afloat.
“He is an engineer turned lawyer...there’s a path”
I’m an engineer, there’s an idea. nah, not enough time between rescuing kittens and Joy riding in the Bolt, lol.
“They believed what the government told them.”
You have more sympathy for them than I do. Just starting with the basics, where does that electricity come from. Mostly, gas turbine engines, not solar or wind. Now if they would be advocating for nuclear energy, then it would make sense. Although my husband, a power plant Environmental consultant, says that the gas turbine power plants are much more efficient than automobile engines. He’s not a liberal, just factual. Kind of drives me nuts. I don’t mind a little bias now and then. Although I know it seems that I was arguing against it earlier.
Being “somewhat likely” to buy an EV sometime in the future is a pretty low bar. Most people would be willing to just say ‘yes, maybe” to a pollster but without conviction and only the usual acquiescent set of mind. 4 in ten could translate easily into one or two in ten when the time comes to lay money down.
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There are different subsidy programs. Tesla is letting non Tesla EVs on to its charging network to get a piece of the pie. I don’t think it is part of the $7B program. I could be mistaken..
Those old writers certainly did.
Nice chatting. Be safe.
T
“I just cannot imagine WHY anyone in their right mind would buy one.”
The government can and will turn off the gas pumps at will. Case in point Katrina or Harvey or covid lockdowns. It’s when not if the gov shuts off the gasoline supply for climate change bank on that.
The dotgov cannot shut off the giant thermonuclear power plant in the sky. No one and I mean no one has a oil well and a fully functional refinery in the back 40 to turn oil into the 87 at least octane a vehicle needs. Alcohols take acres of corn or potatoes then natural gas or biomass fired stills and extensive modifications to a vehicle to run and not crater the motor in short order...or you can have 4 or 5 commercial sized solar panels on your garage that in a single 8 hour sunny day will put 300+ miles of range in a Tesla. Mine do on a regular basis. This means the gov cannot shut off my fuel supply ever and I have a 150+ mile radius of freedom or a one way trip to the Mexican border or my sailboat on the Gulf Coast. It’s a preper thing. Plus the FSD is magical in gridlock traffic I watch Netflix and let the car deal with the hour plus in gridlock to the CBD of Big D.
I just took my Tesla to Midland which as most know is remote and in deep West Texas people say but but range and it’s rural. Well I left my place at 100% drive with the a.c. Ripping in Texas heat directly to Abilene stopped at the supercharger just east of Abilene for 15 min I had to pee stretch my legs after three and half hours in the seat then grabbed a beer and left for Midland got there with SOC to spare drove to dinner and some nightlife such as there is in oiltown then to the hotel where I L2 charged it overnight at my numbered spot reserved for me. That would be the only charge I needed the whole time in Midland I left with enough SOC to get back to Abilene and repeat 15min , a piss break grab a sixer for the cooler and directly back to far North Texas. Made it home with 20 ish % right to my L2. I took the Tesla specifically for the FSD it drove itself in the motorways it would have demanded hands on every few minutes but I disabled that annoyance so it thinks my hands are one the when it whines for it. That’s a compliance thing for dotgov not a need by the tech it’s stupid and it have been eliminated.
Do I have a slew of other vehicles yup, a diesel truck that does truck things and truck things only. A couple of motorcycles , a luxury car that hardly gets driven now that the Tesla has completely replaced it’s user functions. And a large SUV 4x4 again for camping and truck things. So no an EV is not an all uses for all cases it as the best commuter car made with FSD and one fifth the cost per mile in energy costs and also capex my Tesla is half the monthly payment as the Volvo it replaces. The only reason the Volvo stays is it’s sunk capex already paid off and on the two trips per year I want to go 600 miles in the seat directly to New Orleans with no stop in Alexandria or Shreveport it’s the go too car. I could rent a hybrid Camry for those two one WEEK trips each @187 weekly rates thats thousands less than owning that Volvo but it’s sunk cost and never again. It’s role is fully the Tesla now.
I appreciate all those things work for you. My post that follows is not an attack on you, as I am sure you read my post and saw “anyone in their right mind” and took that as an insult. It did NOT apply to you, as you are a “focused case use” user. You have means. You have backup. You say you have your own solar power. That is all good, and I genuinely applaud you.
But you are not the standard consumer who uses these vehicles. You have multiple high-end vehicles you can fall back on, you have a sailboat, and that is all great. You are one of those “focused case” uses.
But that is not what the vast majority of people are who own EVs. For the majority, that is their only car. And most of them are ignorant of the hole they have dug themselves into, because for DAMN sure, the government is not telling them.
For many of these people duped (thinking they will help stop “Climate Change” or coerced into buying one (by governments telling them that their days of owning ICE vehicles are coming to an end) they jumped into the early adopter mode, but the more people that jump into the “early adopter” role, without the government increasing the availability of electricity, the infrastructure to GET that electricity to a point it can be delivered to a vehicle are going to be absolutely and positively screwed.
Right now, the government cannot shut off consumers from owning their own fuel. Ten gallon jerry cans are available to anyone who wants them and is willing to fill them and store them. But as I said in a recent post, if you think the government cannot or will not shut off your electric vehicle that communicates wirelessly for a variety of purposes (and as you likely know, not all of them are for entertainment only) you are sorely mistaken, especially if you have been paying attention to what this government is doing to its own citizens.
You, sir, are NOT the standard use case. And yeah, you likely have a high-end Tesla, you live in Texas and not North Dakota. Pushing EVs for those who understand the positives and negatives are one thing.
Pushing them for everyone, as the government is desperately trying to do now, is worse than a mistake. It is both malignant and malicious.
Again, I am glad you are wealthy enough to afford three or four cars, a camper, a sailboat, and “4 or 5 commercial sized solar panels on your garage that in a single 8 hour sunny day will put 300+ miles of range in a Tesla” as you said.
I am not kidding. I fully support people who have the means to do that. But it is a cruel and terrible thing to assume that everyone can do that (and to suggest they follow your example and do it that way) because the fact is, they can’t.
I admit, I do have sympathy for them.
Not everyone is created equally.
Sure, some people are deliberately lazy and some are ideological and don’t look at an issue deeply enough to form a useful opinion. And some simply are too busy and under the gun or aren’t very intelligent. The first group of people are too busy being lazy, virtue signaling, and the latter group, well they are just being busy or simply unintelligent and trying to get by.
It is those last, the people too preoccupied with raising their families or making ends meet, or those not really sharp enough to take it in, that I feel sympathy for.
Those people often make the mistake of listening to people telling them what they should do to get along, and too often, take that advice.
They may learn, the hard way. Like the consumer who buys an EV, and when they go up over a curb and damage the battery, only to be told it takes $25,000 dollars to get a new battery because there is no feasible way to test that battery, find out which of the cells INSIDE that battery are damaged, and to replace only those.
They are shocked. Their mouths gape in astonishment as they absorb the news from the dealer or repair shop. “Really? Nobody told me that! WTF?”
Or the person who grumbles because they can’t find an open charging station due to use or vandalism, and wonder where all those new charging stations that Biden and Buttigieg promised them they were built...aren’t built.
They ask someone, and they say “Well...they wanted to build a 20 station charging facility, but they couldn’t afford to update the wiring to bring that much power out there to it, and besides, the municipal power station says it cannot provide that much power without limiting how much others will get.
Or the person who goes to renew their insurance policy on their EV, only to find the savings they had hoped to realize using electric power, is told those “savings” will be totally eaten up, and far more because the repair bills when your EV went over the curb and damaged the battery cannot be covered by insurance.
Or when their homeowners insurance premium is unaffordable because they have an EV, and parking it in the garage at night is considered to be a hazard.
Or they have had stop at a motel planned, only to realize there are no charging stations, and the motel doesn’t have any charging stations. Or extension cables. Or will charge you if you charge your car to cover the costs of increased use of electricity.
Or the ferryboat whose ticket employees tell you they cannot allow your EV on the boat because they are considered fire hazards.
In all of these cases, who was going to tell them these things might happen? It sure as hell isn’t the government who might warn them. And it isn’t the dealer who sells them the car.
And it sure as hell isn’t the EV enthusiast who wants to see more people jump into the pond with him in the hopes that the more people in the pond, the more likely these things will be addressed.
So, yeah. I do feel some sympathy for them. (the others, I readily ridicule and laugh at)
By the way, if it didn’t come across in my post, I wanted to make sure: I in no way disparage what you have done.
Quite the contrary.
I admire it. If I had the means to do it, I would do it as you have complete with what is likely a high-end Tesla.
I just don’t think it is a thing to sell for people who might not have the means to do it, which is many people. Granted, as individuals, they may choose to do or not to do, but for the government to encourage, and soon, mandate it, that is what I object to.
Hope I was clear, FRiend.
How to Figure Out What Your Car Knows About You (and Opt Out of Sharing When You Can)
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/how-figure-out-what-your-car-knows-about-you-and-opt-out-sharing-when-you-can
How about a plug in hybrid the size of a Toyota Camry that went 1400 miles on a single charge and 17 gallons of gasoline? Oh and it sells for $13,000 American urban testing with the gas only hybrid mode returned 108 miles per gallon at 46% thermal efficiency.
Americans will never get this car because of the UAW goons but Mexico is and so are a slew of Caribbean and Latin American countries. I am seriously debating using a Mexican address to get one and just keep Mexican plates on it here. Texas doesn’t even blink at Mexican plates anymore.
https://insideevs.com/news/721577/byd-qin-test-range-china/
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