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Live thread [05/30/2024]: Trump show trial in New York, brought to you by Obama-Biden operative Matt Colangelo; post comments here
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Posted on 05/30/2024 6:51:54 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator

Edited on 05/30/2024 6:53:08 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Deliberations resume this morning, after Merchan rereads instructions back to the jurors. Thoughts?


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KEYWORDS: colangelo; hushmoneytrial; judgemerchan; merchan; stormydaniels; trump; trumppersecution
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To: Tipllub

I think the main thing is to tie up President Trump time wise so that he can’t campaign and to dirty his name and reputation


161 posted on 05/30/2024 9:53:39 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: mware

I presume they said Trump did not tell them how to classify the payments.

If so, then how the heck does Alvin Bragg think he can just dismiss their testimony - with nobody to contradict them?


162 posted on 05/30/2024 9:53:42 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

(I wonder why the defense didn’t call him to testify.)

Here’s why: Weisselberg is entitled to three instalments of $250,000 from the Trump Organisation, which are due in June, September, and December of this year. But only if he refuses to “cooperate” with the authorities.

The contract, read out loud in court, says Weisselberg promises “not to verbally or in writing disparage, criticize, denigrate” the company or any of its executives. Another section says “he will not communicate with” and “otherwise will not cooperate with” any entity seeking “adverse claims” against the company.

The severance agreement was then shown to the jurors

It’s essentially an explanation for Weisselberg’s absence


163 posted on 05/30/2024 9:55:13 AM PDT by Macho MAGA Man (The last two weren't balloons. One was a cylindrical objects Trump is being given the Alex Jones tr)
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To: butterdezillion

The judge limited the Election Law testimony. I believe to his own background not the actual laws being questioned.


164 posted on 05/30/2024 9:57:08 AM PDT by mware
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To: Tennessee Nana
I think the main thing is to tie up President Trump time wise so that he can’t campaign and to dirty his name and reputation

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And yet it just seems to make his poll numbers go UP.. thank You GOD!

165 posted on 05/30/2024 9:58:31 AM PDT by pollywog (" O thou who changest not....ABIDE with me")
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To: mware

preposterous!


166 posted on 05/30/2024 10:00:32 AM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: Macho MAGA Man
The contract

How could they bring that contract into a trial with bringing in the signor to verify it? That would be like bringing in a picture without the photographer to verify it.
167 posted on 05/30/2024 10:03:54 AM PDT by JoSixChip (2020: The year of unreported truths; 2021: My main take away from this year? Trust no one.)
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To: Sacajaweau

The fact Pecker said Trump said he doesn’t buy stories also implies in a fair way it is not unreasonable to believe Cohen did this on himself regarding Stormy because Trump would not pay because it would come out anyway.


168 posted on 05/30/2024 10:04:58 AM PDT by hollywood12345
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To: Sacajaweau
If the jury is hung...it can be tried again and that would start almost immediately.

I don't think that's true, but a lawyer will have to answer definitively.

It would be a brand new trial, with brand new pre-trial motions. There is no way that Bragg could get a new jury seated before the election.

Nothing carries forward to a retrial except perhaps the judge, unless the defense argues that the judge's behavior showed excessive bias and asks for the judge to recuse or be removed.

-PJ

169 posted on 05/30/2024 10:09:10 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: hollywood12345

Yes...I wrote the quote and then what you are saying. Cohen was doing his boss a favor...He wanted a White House job.


170 posted on 05/30/2024 10:09:15 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Macho MAGA Man

The contract doesn’t require him to lie, and simply reporting factually on a conversation he witnessed is not “disparaging, criticizing, or denigrating” Trump.


171 posted on 05/30/2024 10:09:30 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Political Junkie Too

I got that info listening to Judge Jeannine Pirro. You can probably find it googling.


172 posted on 05/30/2024 10:10:42 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

Cohen did it because he thought it would help him get back in Trump’s good graces..he did it so that Melania wouldn’t be embarrassed by the BS story..he wanted to tell Trump after wards “Boss there was this story and I killed it to help you, aren’t you proud of me”


173 posted on 05/30/2024 10:11:17 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Sarah Barracuda

It makes me think of the Scripture, “To obey is better than sacrifice.”

Trump told Pecker he didn’t believe in paying people off because it comes back to bite you in the rear anyway.

And Cohen did his own thing and sure enough it’s come back to bite Trump in the rear.


174 posted on 05/30/2024 10:13:09 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: ridesthemiles

Exactly. An invoice from an attorney would be reasonably classified as legal fees, the same way as the water bill would be a utility classification, etc. Even in your most basic home finance software that tracks your expenses/budget, you would list your grocery bill in the grocery category, not the utility category


175 posted on 05/30/2024 10:14:09 AM PDT by matt04 ( )
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To: Sarah Barracuda
Exactly...and there's plenty of inferences to his routine. Dirty embezzler.

And I'll bet if Trump gave him the whole amount in one check...he'd cash it...and it would not be on Cohen's books. It's the reason he wound up in jail.

176 posted on 05/30/2024 10:14:36 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: pollywog

President Trump is in God’s hands


177 posted on 05/30/2024 10:15:00 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Sacajaweau

Putting aside that it looks like the judge is encouraging the jury to convict on circumstantial evidence, it’s a really stupid metaphor. For one, it assumes that you have several hints that it rained including wet ground, people walking around with umbrellas and raincoats, cloudy conditions etc., when all they actually have is a metaphorical damp sidewalk.

There could be lots of reasons to explain that. It could have just been a dewy morning with rain expected, someone’s sprinklers could have malfunctioned, a fire hydrant could have been damaged, street cleaners could have come by. He just introduced a bunch of reasonable doubt into the case.

Really, if you woke up in the morning and it looked like it rained, and then you heard a news report that said a fire hydrant was hit by a car would you say, “Oh my goodness, that has never happened in the world before and it couldn’t possibly be true.”?

My 2 cents,
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178 posted on 05/30/2024 10:15:15 AM PDT by omegatoo (You know you'll get your money's worth...become a monthly donor!)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

the little thief went to jail..in part...because of $3 million in undeclared income.


179 posted on 05/30/2024 10:16:16 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
All I'm saying is that even if they can start a new trial, there would first have to be pre-trial motions before any jury is seated.

I'd think the first pre-trial motion by the defense is for the judge to recuse or be removed.

The second pre-trial motion would be for a change of venue due to the negative publicity from the first trial.

The third pre-trial motion would be around election interference having a trial so close to the election.

The fourth pre-trial motion would be a motion to dismiss for political persecution and prosecutorial misconduct.

And on and on.

There would be a long way to go before getting to jury selection.

-PJ

180 posted on 05/30/2024 10:17:06 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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