Posted on 05/16/2024 8:04:57 AM PDT by SJackson
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What of reports that Israel in general, and Netanyahu in particular, actually supported the rise of Hamas, as a counterweight in Gaza to Arafat and the PLO?
Its good they mentioned Afghanistan, because too-clever-by-half politicians in the USA too helped create the monster it eventually had to face.
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right on
except that it ascribes far too nice of motives for the Snake Dept
Amen. Never ever underestimate the cultural impact of the 1st and 2nd Great Awakenings on the western world. It is the main difference between the U.S. and crap hole countries.
The Haitians need more than aid, they need a spiritual awakening. Mexico needs more than just political reform. They need a spiritual awakening. Afghanistan needs more than just equal rights for women. They need a spiritual awakening. And unfortunately we're getting away from loving God and loving each other like we learned to do in the great awakenings.
Excellent piece.
Nation-building, in the sense that a representative republic modeled on the US Constitution has to be imposed on an otherwise failed state, is itself an empty gesture, and doomed to repeat failure of the state, in an even more calamitous manner. The necessary framework is not there and cannot be imposed.
We equate our quality of life with our form of government.
Other people around the world don’t see it that way.
They want four goats instead of two.
They want a motorcycle instead of a bicycle.
They want a cheap car instead of a motorcycle.
They want…..more.
And they really don’t want to lose what they have.
And they are scared.
They are humans.
100% agree with your comment. Both Israel and the USA are paying for such meddling by our previous generation of politicians.
Here in the USA, we haven't given up on such efforts, indeed, we have doubled-down, all across the world.
Gaza-Israel’s war teaches us what we should have done after September 11
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Nuke Mecca and Medina - the end of Islam worldwide - no one prays to a failed “god” 3 times a day or even once.
Truth is, there was a window of opportunity to solve the Israeli - Palestinian conflict in the wake of the fall of the Soviet Union and Communism.
GHW Bush was actually working with the Israeli leadership for building a base to accomplish this.
The PLO had had been thrashed and kicked out of Lebanon and Yasser Arafat and his PLO fighters were falling apart in Tunis.
For once, the Israelis had comparatively rational and reasonable Palestinians to work with.
The Rabin generation of Israeli leaders were largely military officers who had seen the worst of war. They were angered and disgusted by the hot heads and fanatics on both sides.
They wanted peace
Then came Bill and Hilary Clinton -1960s Radicals who were slobbering , star struck Yasser Arafat groupies
The Clinton's froze out any reasonable Palestinians to become Partners for Peace and insisted on their beloved Yasser Arafat
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Rabin got rolled and signed an agreement formalizing Yasser Arafat as the de facto leadership of the Palestinians and invited the beleaguered PLO fighters into Israel itself.
The PLO came rolling into Israel like a conquering army , shooting AK-47s and began their reign of terror. They established a corrupt, criminal mafia style “government” that exists to this day. They conscripted children just out of grade school and began training them in terrorism and para military operations. They established schools that became indoctrination centers for Jew hatred and the destruction of Israel.
The end result is the insanity in Gaza.
The Israelis complained to the Clintons who only encouraged Yasser Arafat and back stabbed Israel.
The resulting chaos and PLO violence gave rise to Netanyahu who was effective in countering Arafat. Clinton tried to intervene for Shimon Peres in 1996 but failed and Netanyahu became PM.
Clinton then sent Democrat operative Stanley Greenberg to Israel to successfully organize Democrat funded opposition to Netanyhau and interfere with internal Israeli affairs . The Clinton's Greenberg led team succeeded in ousting Netanyahu and replacing him with the disaster that was Ehud Barak. Barak was a Clinton aligned Leftist who was willing to sell out Israel to the PLO. But George Bush beat Al Gore and Barak lost influence so Arafat started the Second Intifada.
After Arafat finally died of AIDs and Ariel Sharon handed the Gaza over to the PLO, Hamas seized power in Gaza because the PLO was too moderate.
It all comes back to Bill and Hillary Clinton, two of the most profoundly malignant and destructive politicians in American history.
The mid 1990s were a historic chance for peace in the Middle East and Bill and Hillary Clinton ruined that chance by insisting their hero Yasser Arafat be the one put in power which directly led to the Hamas disaster we see today.
It didn't have to be this way and we have the Clintons to blame.
Great article, thanks for posting.
And Americans don't even want "what Americans want" anymore, since the nation that existed in 1945 has been dissolved and replaced with the largest, greatest nation building exercise in the history of mankind - turning a continent populated by whoever into a better "nation" than the European settler nation that was called "America" and that existed, essentially, from 1775-1965.
We should have exterminated the Saudi bloodline like roaches once we found out they were funding the terrorists.
BTTT
Nation-building, in the sense that a representative republic modeled on the US Constitution has to be imposed on an otherwise failed state, is itself an empty gesture, and doomed to repeat failure of the state, in an even more calamitous manner. The necessary framework is not there and cannot be imposed.
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I wish more people understood this.
“Islam is a religion of peace” - both GW Bush and Obama
Perhaps. However the PLO left about a quarter of their forces behind in Lebanon, civilians. Can't imagine we didn't know. And the US refused to allow Israel to kill Arafat. Somewhere on the web, if I can find it I'll send a link, you can find an interview with an Israeli sniper who as late as boarding the ship for Libya had Arafat in his sights, awaiting US authorization to pull the trigger. Later when the peace loving Arafat returned the rear of his car was said to be nearly touching the pavement, suspected arms filling the trunk. We're making the same mistake today pushing Israel to leave Hamas leadership intact along with an unknown number of troops who will become civilians again. For awhile. History may not repeat itself, but sometimes it does.
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