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In Ukraine, New American Technology Won the Day. Until It Was Overwhelmed.
The New York Times ^ | April 23, 2024 | David E. Sanger

Posted on 04/27/2024 8:20:54 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

The idea triggered a full-scale revolt on the Google campus.

Six years ago, the Silicon Valley giant signed a small, $9 million contract to put the skills of a few of its most innovative developers to the task of building an artificial intelligence tool that would help the military detect potential targets on the battlefield using drone footage.

Engineers and other Google employees argued that the company should have nothing to do with Project Maven, even if it was designed to help the military discern between civilians and militants.

The uproar forced the company to back out, but Project Maven didn’t die — it just moved to other contractors. Now, it has grown into an ambitious experiment being tested on the front lines in Ukraine, forming a key component of the U.S. military’s effort to funnel timely information to the soldiers fighting Russian invaders.

So far the results are mixed: Generals and commanders have a new way to put a full picture of Russia’s movements and communications into one big, user-friendly picture, employing algorithms to predict where troops are moving and where attacks might happen.

But the American experience in Ukraine has underscored how difficult it is to get 21st-century data into 19th-century trenches.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Ukraine
KEYWORDS: ai; battlefieldtargeting; bidenswar; corruption; drones; killkillkillforpeace; mic; projectmaven; tothelastukrainian; ukraine; weapons; welfarewar; worldwariii; wwe; zeeperssaddened
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1 posted on 04/27/2024 8:20:54 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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I heard that the Russians are driving supplies to the front lines using armored limousines from oligarchs. I guess the AI thinks these cars are civilians and don’t attack them.


2 posted on 04/27/2024 8:23:25 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (Kafka was an optimist.)
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3 posted on 04/27/2024 8:25:26 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████ ████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Now, it has grown into an ambitious experiment being tested on the front lines in Ukraine,

Yes, the USA is at war with Russia.

If Washington DC ultimately gets nuked, please don't act surprised.

4 posted on 04/27/2024 8:39:04 PM PDT by PGR88
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If Washington DC ultimately gets nuked, please don't act surprised.

Oh well. Let's get it over with.

5 posted on 04/27/2024 8:45:59 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
In Ukraine, New American Technology Won the Day.

When did American technology win the day? At Bradley Square?

6 posted on 04/27/2024 9:02:31 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAhahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

I needed that. THX!


7 posted on 04/27/2024 9:06:55 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

I think this war is exposing how much money we waste on useless things. The government spend tens of billions on weapons that are never built. The system is not set up to be efficient.


8 posted on 04/27/2024 9:42:48 PM PDT by Rdct29 (The Democrats Are The New Nazi Party )
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To: MinorityRepublican

Until they figured it out and counter the West, as in the case with missiles. Russia can now counter the missiles that were at one time thought invincible. Even the Abram tanks are taking a toll.


9 posted on 04/27/2024 9:43:25 PM PDT by BEJ
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The government spend tens of billions on weapons that are never built.

The US air force spent $90,000 for a small bag of bushings. Iranians can produce 45 drones at the same cost.

Michael Waltz Confronts Air Force Officials With Staggeringly Expensive Components
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYWie96j3aQ

10 posted on 04/27/2024 9:48:38 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: MinorityRepublican

Given the recent gains the Russians have been making Ukraine should do the opposite of what AI says to do.


11 posted on 04/27/2024 9:58:12 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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Anti-drone methods and systems will catch up - air, surface, and sub-sea levels.


12 posted on 04/27/2024 10:09:05 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Prayers up.

Can I get a significant stipend for this? /s


13 posted on 04/27/2024 10:29:59 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX)
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To: MinorityRepublican

!!


14 posted on 04/27/2024 11:17:30 PM PDT by A strike (There is no tyranny that cannot be justified by 'climate change')
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

“The US air force spent $90,000 for a small bag of bushings. Iranians can produce 45 drones at the same cost.”

I’m no fan of the Ukraine War or the Leftists that gave us the war, but if that bag had been filled with decent-sized diamonds, $90k would have been a good deal. The point being that I don’t know enough about those bushings to say whether they were worth 90k, or something close to it. If they’re standard automotive quality, then no, but if they’re for landing gear on a carrier, then maybe yes.

Long ago, back in my auto industry days (before I got in the plumbing business), one of our engineers showed me a blueprint for a timing chain cover - which is single piece of metal with tons of curves, bolt holes, gasket surfaces, etc. The large sheet of paper was almost completely filled by the very complicated drawing. He then told me that there were 6 more pages to the drawing.

If we were planning to produce 40 engines using this cover, rather than hoping to produce 400,000 engines, I could have EASILY seen it costing us $90,000 each (in today’s dollars, at least).


15 posted on 04/28/2024 2:29:34 AM PDT by BobL (A society built on MERIT cannot survive on DEI (ref. South Africa, and now USA))
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--- "...Won the Day. Until It Was Overwhelmed."

Decades back, I was in Las Vegas for a wedding. Riding up and down the elevators and overhearing conversations aplenty, the structure of the conversations were almost universally alike.

"I was ahead, before...."
It is the same with sports fans, who do not get to stop the game when their team is "ahead." The end of the game is always the end of the game.

The headline manages to put a "win" into the same sentence with not winning. This is the thinking today. We "won" in Vietnam until.... We won in Afghanistan until.... For decades now, the rhetoric says "win" until the loss is evident.

This is so with inner city Democrat policies, as with the Biden economic lunacy, as with REITs in San Francisco, as with "drag queen story hour," and keeps to the same structure of language.

It is said, "we" won/win the day.

Until....

16 posted on 04/28/2024 5:28:54 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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Your statement about “We were winning…and then..”

The comparison is accurate for most wars the US has been involved in, especially those run by Democrats, in my lifetime. The question nobody is asking….is what we were going to win? Lots of dead people? More money for the deep state?

We certainly aren’t getting safety, security, and bargaining points in international politics. This is a stupid war with stupid prizes.

Finally, this is why the US loses wars. It’s called resolve. We don’t have the resolve to see them through, or the resolve to make them so terrible that the end quickly. It’s almost like they want to drag them out as long as possible…..for profit.


17 posted on 04/28/2024 5:43:14 AM PDT by Pete Dovgan (Repeatedl)
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——what we were going to win?-——

The end to the Mullah’s in Iran

The new revolution in Russia disrupting the present oligarchical corruption

Both are bad for business


18 posted on 04/28/2024 5:48:52 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Hamascide is required in totality)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
I heard that the Russians are driving supplies to the front lines using armored three wheeled Grampa cars from China.
No licence or registration needed, driving knowledge comes from experience
The UKR drone operators fall over laughing and leave them alone.


19 posted on 04/28/2024 8:52:25 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Pete Dovgan
--- " It's almost like they want to drag them out as long as possible…..for profit."

Agreed. The obvious political "resolve" is there to profit from wars -- plural.

And then, like the classic snake oil salesman, the war politicians try to skip town -- and blame someone else.

20 posted on 04/28/2024 9:12:53 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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