IDF ends active ground invasion, completely withdraws from southern Gaza

The Jerusalem Post ^ | April 7: 2024 | By YONAH JEREMY BOB

[Oldeconomybuyer]

The IDF on Sunday announced that it had concluded the active invasion stage of the war for now while leaving open the possibility of a future new invasion of Rafah in deep southern Gaza.

Although a top IDF official said that this change had nothing to do with US pressure, the timing was unmistakable in coming right after the IDF’s disastrous mistaken killing of seven humanitarian aid workers last week.

Critically, this means that Palestinians can, on one hand, move freely within southern Gaza and Khan Yunis and that there is a complete vacuum for preventing a return of Hamas governance, but the IDF is keeping northern and central Gaza cut off from the south.

Hamas immediately declared the IDF withdrawal, even partial, a victory for sticking to its position of demanding IDF withdrawals, including of troops in northern Gaza.

The world’s attention will likely now shift to whether the IDF will invade Rafah first, whether Hamas will cut a deal for the hostages to avoid such an invasion, or whether Israel will concede further to Hamas’s demands for returning more Palestinians to northern Gaza.

[Paul R.]

Stop corrupting our language. If Israel was engaged in a “genocide” there would be close to half a million dead Gazans by now.

[whitney69]

“The radioactive half-life would preclude that.”

Kind of like trying to paint the side of a moving freight train that never ends. Did Vietnam get any better, or Korea, or Iraq, or all these countries that were defeated or lowered to a third rate capacity? The only way to keep them out is to make the people that live there want them out and not support them. Otherwise they will be back. There are no innocent non-combatants. So you throw the baby out with the bathwater...and then all you have is more bathwater when it rains somewhere else and the current tub is left filthy. And they will be back because you can’t kill them fast enough. When you cut off their support and weapons, they are nothing but poor people that want to stay that way and die for their God. So, let’em.

wy69

[Paul R.]

A question for Palestinian supporters, President Biden, etc.:

Hamas killed nearly 10 Israeli civilians for every IDF soldier they killed (leaving out some police and such which can be classified either way). Moreover, they murdered civilians in a great many situations where there were clearly no IDF around, such that the civilians killed could not in any way, shape, or form, be considered as collateral damage.

At the highest, assuming both Hamas and IDF numbers get equal credence, Israel has killed under 2 Gazan civilians for every Hamas terrorist killed or captured. Israel is damned for this, even though the ratio is low for this sort of situation.

Israel does not get to reciprocate a civilian to soldier fatality ratio even 1/4 of that of Hamas?

Why not?

[Paul R.]

Need to turn attention to Iran?

I think that could be part of it. Intel may have picked up on a massive attack by Hezbollah in the wings. I hope I'm wrong about that...

[Paul R.]

Uh, if Gaza is turned to glass, NOBODY is left in Gaza.

Not that I am advocating that: For one thing the radiation falling back into Israel would be highly problematic. It would also violate Israel’s long standing policy to minimize civilian casualties.

However, your response does not address the post it is responding to.

[Paul R.]

I wonder if US weapons deliveries to Israel have been any more, shall we say, expeditious, than our deliveries to Ukraine?

If Israel is expecting a serious dustup with Iran, er, Hezbollah, that would be a double concern of Israel’s.

[The Westerner]

Hope this is correct. However, it's never ever been in Israel's interest to be held back by America. Bibi and his Cabinet were holding firm until 44 flew over to Europe, then his proxy in the WH applied maximum pressure. Doesn't it tell the world that Rafah, the last acreage on the Sea in Southern Israel, must be crucial to their Ring of Fire op?

[FrankRizzo890]

How long until Hamas declares victory? (Because you KNOW they will. Regardless of the truth on the ground).

[whitney69]

“However, your response does not address the post it is responding to.”

That depends on how you approach the topic. Probably the worst radiation accident in earth’s history was Chernobyl. Did you know that while living anywhere within the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone is technically illegal today, authorities tolerate those who choose to live within some of the less irradiated areas, and around 1,000 people live in Chernobyl today? So even if you level the place and light it up, it will be back. And people will come back. Plus when you consider that HAMAS has been the de facto governing body in the Gaza Strip since 2007, when it ousted the Palestinian Authority from power, it is stationed primarily in Gaza but it also maintains a presence in the West Bank; Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon; and key regional capitals, such as Doha, Qatar, and Cairo, Egypt. They also have their people here in the US, Canada, Mexico and many other countries. So is detinating Gaza have any real effect. You can’t kill them everywhere, and when it is time, they wil be back jut like in Afghanistan and the taliban.

You don’t cure a sick patient by killing it. You can try to separate the infected tissue by enticing the rest of the body to do it. That’s how vaccines work. But if the rest of the body doesn’t help, the illness will spread if it is contagious and it will just spread to someone else.

If the people don’t resist the terrorists, and accept their actions, then they are not going to get rid of them for themselves or anyone else that stands in the path. If their ability to get support like safe haven and weapons is cut off, all you have left is people with the ability to talk tough. And if you try to take out one person in a group of them, does it accomplish the goal. You can’t nudet everyone. And if you try, it will be everyone.

wy69

[whitney69]

“However, your response does not address the post it is responding to.”

That depends on how you approach the topic. Probably the worst radiation accident in earth’s history was Chernobyl. Did you know that while living anywhere within the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone is technically illegal today, authorities tolerate those who choose to live within some of the less irradiated areas, and around 1,000 people live in Chernobyl today? So even if you level the place and light it up, it will be back. And people will come back. Plus when you consider that HAMAS has been the de facto governing body in the Gaza Strip since 2007, when it ousted the Palestinian Authority from power, it is stationed primarily in Gaza but it also maintains a presence in the West Bank; Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon; and key regional capitals, such as Doha, Qatar, and Cairo, Egypt. They also have their people here in the US, Canada, Mexico and many other countries. So is detinating Gaza have any real effect. You can’t kill them everywhere, and when it is time, they wil be back jut like in Afghanistan and the taliban.

You don’t cure a sick patient by killing it. You can try to separate the infected tissue by enticing the rest of the body to do it. That’s how vaccines work. But if the rest of the body doesn’t help, the illness will spread if it is contagious and it will just spread to someone else.

If the people don’t resist the terrorists, and accept their actions, then they are not going to get rid of them for themselves or anyone else that stands in the path. If their ability to get support like safe haven and weapons is cut off, all you have left is people with the ability to talk tough. And if you try to take out one person in a group of them, does it accomplish the goal. You can’t nudet everyone. And if you try, it will be everyone.

wy69

[Jumper]

Hamas will no longer be on the ballot. Hamas will be dismantled. No terrorist army can exist in Israel.

[Jim Noble]

Good post.

The end of Hamas in the Gaza Strip is not the end of the 75 year long war, and a plan for victory by Israel over the enemies which surround her is unclear.

[whitney69]

“...a plan for victory by Israel over the enemies which surround her is unclear.”

I think everyone knows that Israel is not going to end the conflict, including Israel. They can only hope to hold it off. And the best way to do that is to make life intolerable for the people of Gaza until they understand that the foothold hamas has is because of their acceptance of them.

“Palestinian support for Hamas in the West Bank and Gaza remains high, according to a Palestinian poll released on March 20. That support has increased since the Iran-backed terrorist group attacked Israel on October 7.”

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/03/22/poll-hamas-remains-popular-among-palestinians/

When the time comes when the people of Gaza finally have the light bulb go on and they understand that they are being used and tortured by hamas, they will reject them and hamas will lose their protection of any kind. And if they grow a pair, they will join Israel and the christian countries trying to stop this carnage the Hamas people, and other Islamic groups, are creating using anything and anyone they can to accomplish their goals.

wy69

[Jim Noble]

But the enemy is not in Gaza, or at least is not confined to Gaza.

It would be like saying when the last Japanese soldier on Pelileu was dead the war was over.

The US has been working with a false paradigm since 1972 (or maybe 1953) that the war is over when we say so.

But at least the US can go home. Israel IS at home.

[higgmeister]

“The radioactive half-life would preclude that.”

Kind of like trying to paint the side of a moving freight train that never ends. Did Vietnam get any better, or Korea, or Iraq, or all these countries that were defeated or lowered to a third rate capacity? The only way to keep them out is to make the people that live there want them out and not support them. Otherwise they will be back. There are no innocent non-combatants. So you throw the baby out with the bathwater...and then all you have is more bathwater when it rains somewhere else and the current tub is left filthy. And they will be back because you can’t kill them fast enough. When you cut off their support and weapons, they are nothing but poor people that want to stay that way and die for their God. So, let’em.

wy69

I was talking about the Nuclear Blast that would turn Gaza into Glass.   Nobody would be returning to Gaza for a long time after a Nuclear Blast happened.   Your argument would be moot.

[whitney69]

“Your argument would be moot.”

This simply did not suit many residents of the towns surrounding Chernobyl, so they returned. About 1,200 people returned to their homes, disregarding the illegality of their actions and the potential risks to their health. As of today, around 130 to 150 of those residents remain in the exclusion zone, citing their connections to their ancestral homes as too important to give up. The people who returned, mostly men and women over 50, had lived through the harrowing years of Soviet rule and Nazi invasion, and they were not keen to be displaced and attacked again over nuclear health hazards.”

And there are around 3K workers trying still to contain the rads and some have worked there since right after the accident. So they will lead a shared resilience in the area, as people of the CEZ and near-CEZ form communities and shared experiences. Another thing you might want to consider is that we are talking about third world country people with a small education that won’t really understand or care about the effects of radiation. And just like in Chernobyl, they will go back in and hamas won’t care. So I ask again, who are you killing? It isn’t neccessary to light it up if there are other ways. And Israel is doing that as we speak. Make the Gazans get rid of them. Get them out in the open. Then you don’t need rads. And a whole lot of people won’t be killed to include the retaliation from Russia, China, Iran, Syria, Saudi, Yemen, and every other islamic backed country in the world, some nuclear capable and some with a few 100T missiles. I don’t see the worth of tipping the first domino.

wy69

[higgmeister]

This simply did not suit many residents of the towns surrounding Chernobyl, so they returned.

I could no read beyond this first sentence.   A Thermonuclear bomb is nothing like the Chernobyl event.

...atomic weapons tests conducted in the 1950s and 1960s all together are estimated to have put some 100 to 1,000 times more radioactive material into the atmosphere than the Chernobyl accident."[4]

Radioactive desolation is nothing to come home to.   Trinitite really is green glass where desert once existed.

Trinitite, also known as atomsite or Alamogordo glass, is the glassy residue left on the desert floor after the plutonium-based Trinity nuclear bomb test on July 16, 1945, near Alamogordo, New Mexico. The glass is primarily composed of arkosic sand composed of quartz grains and feldspar (both microcline and smaller amount of plagioclase with small amount of calcite, hornblende and augite in a matrix of sandy clay)[3] that was melted by the atomic blast. It was first academically described in American Mineralogist in 1948.[4]

You think any Palestinian would want to march his camel over green glass that covers mile after mile?

[SauronOfMordor]

The guy called the leader can say this or that, but he generally can’t force anyone to do what he says.

It means that there is no command structure to enforce adherence to any peace agreement. The only solution would be complete extermination.

[higgmeister]

I never watched “Patriot Games”, so just tell me what you were reminded of please.

[SaveFerris]

The clip shows it

Terrorist camp taken out by SAS