Posted on 02/24/2024 5:19:09 AM PST by CFW
From Judge Roger Benitez's decision in Fouts v. Bonta(S.D. Cal.):
This case is about a California law that makes it a crime to simply possess or carry a billy. This case is not about whether California can prohibit or restrict the use or possession of a billy for unlawful purposes…. Historically, the short wooden stick that police officers once carried on their beat was known as a billy or billy club. The term remains vague today and may encompass a metal baton, a little league bat, a wooden table leg, or a broken golf club shaft, all of which are weapons that could be used for self-defense but are less lethal than a firearm….
The court struck down the law on Second Amendment grounds (citing, among other cases, Caetano v. Massachusetts (2016), which suggested that stun guns were constitutionally protected arms). The historical analysis is long and detailed (read it here), but here's the conclusion:
(Excerpt) Read more at reason.com ...
The proverbial “mahogany shampoo.”
Beat cops .....lol.
Nonsense. I see 75 pound anorexic women use them with terminal effectiveness on tv all the time.
Last time I checked you could still buy “Tire Thumpers” at some truck stops.
A two foot piece of 3/4 inch ID pipe also works well.
Is the Asian agricultural implement the Rice flail banned in California?
Back around 1970 at lunch, I mentioned this tool for defense. The men laughed at me for such a silly idea. Within 5 years cities were banning the possession of “Numchucks” which was just a rice flail.
From what I saw back when nunchaku were a fad, they were far more dangerous to the user than to any adversary.
I have always preferred to use a hammer. Three senses get a more amplified result: sound, feel, and sight. It’s heavier mass at the end of it, striking a very small area would amplify the sound of the thump. The amplified sight and feel of the hammer strike help make up for the muffled sound if the engine is running (and if in a lot with other trucks running nearby).
Sub-zero temps can make a tire even harder, therefore I would swing the hammer harder.
With a 24oz ball peened hammer, and the high pressures truck tires are at, I could usually detect one that was as little as 10 pounds low.
I’ve thought about carrying a hachett, or maybe a pitchfork, but need to check on that.
Well, there were tough little bastards too.
I had a buddy, a little New York Irish guy, an orphan, boxer and a Korean War paratrooper that was about 5’5” and 150 ringing wet, raised by “the brothers” in parochial school, that was NYPD from about ‘53 to ‘78.
He had an extensive collection of saps, jacks, brass knuckles, come alongs and weighted leather gloves that he had carried and used as well as stuff he took off toughs on the streets.
Anything would do in a pinch, one story involved clocking a resistant suspect by using a walkie-talkie, their first radios, replacing the corner c all boxes.
Come after my billy club and I’ll beat you to death with it.
Next, they’ll ban possession of baseball bats outside of “approved” ballparks.
Just an attitude adjustment, it’ll work every time.
Yeah, I feel really safe, I’m in a “bat free zone”.
Oakland?
I purchased three of them from Amazon, one for our car and one for each of my kids.
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“””I purchased three of them from Amazon, one for our car and one for each of my kids.”””
I understand wanting one to permanently keep in the car but couldn’t you have used the same one on both of the kids?
I’ve only known one guy who could actually use nunchaku and have even seen a stage performance where I had to laugh at the expert.
My buddy could actually use them and blocking efforts would only redirect him as his recovery was instant and fluid, of course, he didn’t carry them in real life because they weren’t as effective as the sawed-off shotgun he carried inside his shirt hanging from his neck.
Brilliant,Brilliant! You deserve a Guinness.
Great catch.
So was a ‘claw’.
My grandfather was a police officer for 25 years in a city suburb of a major city. He was also on vice squad..1920’ 30’s thereabouts.
I was an adult woman with children before I ever knew he had weapons of any kind, and I lived with them!
He gave all of it to the chief of police...they were close friends..as a donation for a museum of police weaponry. Some of what he had was no longer used by police due to high injury rate. That ‘claw’ in my opinion should be back and available if police are going to use dogs and guns. That thing will immobilize a person!
Of course this old dinosaur has had an 800 Lumen LED upgrade so now it also can be used to soften asphalt and start campfires.
California was in high dudgeon
Against every form of truncheon.
The judge overturned their law,
Locked Newsom up in a dundgeon.
And then proceded to his luncheon.
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