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Pennsylvania's high court sides with township over its ban of a backyard gun range
NBC Philadelphia ^ | February 22, 2024 | Mike Scholforo

Posted on 02/23/2024 2:34:20 PM PST by DoodleBob

A township ordinance that limits firing guns to indoor and outdoor shooting ranges and zoning that significantly restricts where the ranges can be located does not violate the Second Amendment, Pennsylvania's Supreme Court ruled Wednesday.

The man who challenged Stroud Township's gun laws, Jonathan Barris, began to draw complaints about a year after he moved to the home in the Poconos in 2009 and installed a shooting range on his 5-acre property. An officer responding to a complaint said the range had a safe backstop but the targets were in line with a large box store in a nearby shopping center.

In response to neighbors' concerns, the Stroud Township Board of Supervisors in late 2011 passed what the courts described as a “discharge ordinance," restricting gunfire to indoor and outdoor gun ranges, as long as they were issued zoning and occupancy permits. It also said guns couldn't be fired between dusk and dawn or within 150 feet of an occupied structure — with exceptions for self-defense, by farmers, by police or at indoor firing ranges.

The net effect, wrote Justice Kevin Dougherty, was to restrict the potential construction of shooting ranges to about a third of the entire township. Barris' home did not meet those restrictions.

Barris sought a zoning permit after he was warned he could face a fine as well as seizure of the gun used in any violation of the discharge ordinance. He was turned down for the zoning permit based on the size of his lot, proximity to other homes and location outside the two permissible zoning areas for ranges.

A county judge ruled for the township, but Commonwealth Court in 2021 called the discharge ordinance unconstitutional, violative of Barris' Second Amendment rights.

In a friend-of-the-court brief, the Pennsylvania attorney general's office aligned with the township, arguing that numerous laws across U.S. history have banned shooting guns or target practice in residential or populated areas.

Dougherty, writing for the majority, said Stroud Township's discharge ordinance “is fully consistent with this nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation." He included pages of examples, saying that "together they demonstrate a sustained and wide-ranging effort by municipalities, cities, and states of all stripes — big, small, urban, rural, Northern, Southern, etc. — to regulate a societal problem that has persisted since the birth of the nation."

In a dissent, Justice Sallie Updyke Mundy said Barris has a constitutional right to “achieve competency or proficiency in keeping arms for self-defense at one's home,” and that the Second Amendment's core self-defense protections are at stake.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: banglist; firingrange; paping; pennsylvania; propertyrights; rkba2ndamendment; stroudtownship
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1 posted on 02/23/2024 2:34:20 PM PST by DoodleBob
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To: DoodleBob

Just five acres?. Way too small.


2 posted on 02/23/2024 2:36:24 PM PST by Reno89519 (If Biden is mentally unfit to stand trial, he is mentally unfit to be president. He needs to resign.)
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To: Reno89519

Sorry...go to a gun range.


3 posted on 02/23/2024 2:44:22 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Reno89519

Agreed-In this rural area, you need at least 15 acres to hunt-or shoot any firearm unless you are shooting at a threat to your family, livestock, etc-doesn’t specify if that means a threat that has 4 legs or 2, however...


4 posted on 02/23/2024 2:45:45 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to sadldle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line...")
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To: lightman; PROCON

Ping.


5 posted on 02/23/2024 2:46:25 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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Pennsylvania Ping!

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6 posted on 02/23/2024 2:46:46 PM PST by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: PROCON

Ping!


7 posted on 02/23/2024 2:47:05 PM PST by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: DoodleBob

This is why you develop your basement.


8 posted on 02/23/2024 2:48:10 PM PST by Jonty30 (I may not know as much about American history and law as I like, but I know more than most liberals.)
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To: DoodleBob

Harris is smoking when he tries to force a City Hall to permit a gun range on ground they don’t want to see a gun range on.

Winning a zoning argument in most cities is a 50-50 proposition at best. I know, I’ve had one pending most of the last 40 years. I have one pending now.


9 posted on 02/23/2024 2:48:16 PM PST by Cen-Tejas
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To: DoodleBob

“...to regulate a societal problem that has persisted since the birth of the nation.”


Gun ranges are a societal problem that have persisted since the birth of the nation?
Or is Kevin Dougherty referring to something else? I wonder what ‘it’ could be.


10 posted on 02/23/2024 2:49:58 PM PST by hanamizu ( )
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To: Jonty30

Too small for the .50cal BMG...


11 posted on 02/23/2024 2:54:45 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: Carriage Hill

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/tiktok-tunnel-girl-building-hobby-rcna125000


12 posted on 02/23/2024 2:56:27 PM PST by Jonty30 (I may not know as much about American history and law as I like, but I know more than most liberals.)
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To: Carriage Hill

Well-——— so’s New Jersey.


13 posted on 02/23/2024 2:59:01 PM PST by Segovia
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To: DoodleBob

Wouldn’t have mattered even if he had zero safety issues, more than enough room etc, he would have lost. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court is now a majority liberal court which means anti gun.


14 posted on 02/23/2024 3:01:06 PM PST by falcon99 ( )
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To: DoodleBob

” to “achieve competency or proficiency in keeping arms for self-defense at one’s home,” and that the Second Amendment’s core self-defense protections are at stake.”

The second amendment is not for self defense. That may be a secondary benefit.

EC


15 posted on 02/23/2024 3:02:03 PM PST by Ex-Con777
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To: Reno89519

In most of Texas, you have to have 10 acres to have a shooting range.


16 posted on 02/23/2024 3:15:27 PM PST by DesertRhino (16 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI)
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To: Jonty30

IF she could do a 500yd tunnel, and IF I had the bucks to do it... too many IFs. Heh.


17 posted on 02/23/2024 3:20:45 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: DoodleBob; mylife; Joe Brower; MaxMax; Randy Larsen; waterhill; Envisioning; AZ .44 MAG; umgud; ...

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18 posted on 02/23/2024 3:40:49 PM PST by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: DoodleBob

Zone THIS, beeyotches!


19 posted on 02/23/2024 4:04:36 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. The Dhimmicraps are ALL Traitors. All of them.)
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To: Carriage Hill

well....maybe a .50 cal BMG round needs a little more room(4.5-5 miles) but pistols and small caliber rifles are no prob.


20 posted on 02/23/2024 4:11:42 PM PST by Qwapisking ("IF the Second goes first the First goes second" L.Star )
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