THE GREAT GOLD HEIST (old archive post complete with comments)

Free Republic Exclusive ^ | 04/29/98 | Karen Bixman

[OneVike]

Today I offer a news story about a multi-billion dollar theft by government fiat of the Mesquite gold mine reserves that geologists then estimated to be worth between $40 to $100 billion in gold. I haven't investigated to see what the ultimate value was, but if anyone is interested let the rest of us know. This was originally posted by Jim Robinson on April 29, 1998. Free Republic was still in its infancy, and I was a newbie who joined the forum just two Months earlier.

I would like to say I remember this, but I don't. It's another goodie I found via the Payback Machine at archive.org. What makes this post so interesting is the involvement of Dian Feinstein, and one time Republican congressman, Michael Huffington who came out as a homo and started supporting LBGTQ rights after he and his wife Arianna Huffington divorced. (Yup, the Arianna who cofounded the Huffington Post) would go on to become the co-chairman of the Log Cabin Republicans

On October 8, 1994 the biggest gold heist in history occurred,even but this theft lacked the melodrama of a Jesse James holdup or the excitement of a Brink's truck robbery. Nary a word was reported by the media evenweven though this thievery was committed in the light of day. The citizens that were being robbed tried to cry out for help but the lawmen wouldn't listen because unbeknownst to them they were helping the bandits gain their booty.

The 103rd Congress managed to accomplish more than a gang of train robbers could achieve in a lifetime when they approved the Desert Wilderness Protection Act. "Instead of voting on the Desert Wilderness Protection Act, Congress should be convening a criminal investigation," said Donald Fife, spokesman for the National Association of Mining Districts. Fife was commenting on recent information that indicates tens of billions of dollars in gold deposits and huge real estate swindles may be the motivating factors behind the act.

Sponsored by Senator Diane Feinstein, the Desert Wilderness Protection Act and it's companion bill known as the California Desert Protection Act create three new national parks and seventy-four new wilderness areas in the desert of California that would total 8 million acres (an area the size of Maryland). This will close this acreage to development, force out private owners within the protected area and close down mines and ranches. It would also expand the Death Valley and Joshua Tree national monuments and upgrade them to national parks. This is the largest wilderness land lockup since the 1980 Alaska Lands Act; largest ever in the lower 48 states. Senator Feinstein contends that the fragile ecosystem of the desert must be protected from development, but in reality the areas being places into park and wilderness closures are not threatened.

In 1980, the California Desert Conservation Area Plan was enacted to protect the desert and it has been rigorously enforced by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management. Furthermore, the designated acreage mentioned in this bill have largely been for sale at bargain prices for over 100 years with no takers because there is absolutely no water or any prospect of water for development. It seems that the real motivation for passage of this bill lies with the special interest groups that would benefit monetarily.

Through a complex series of land exchanges, Catellus Corp., a subsidiary of Santa Fe Pacific, would receive land that contains some of the richest gold deposits in the world. In exchange the public gets seventy-four widely scattered tracts of desert which have found no economic use in more than a century. These will have to be maintained at public expense, but Secretary of Interior Bruce Babbit says the National Park Service has the resources to accomplish this.

Catellus owns over 400,000 acres of worthless land in the California Mojave Desert. This land was obtained by Santa Fe Pacific and its predecessor railroad companies as part of the "checkerboard" railroad lands awarded for the building of the transcontinental railroad. Santa Fe transferred these lands which have been for sale for over 100 years, over to its subsidiary, Catellus Corp. In the land swap, Catellus Corp. will receive land from decommissioned military bases. One of the bases will be the Chocolate Mountain gunnery range. Unbeknownst to the public, inside the range is the world's richest gold rift zone. Geologists estimate that the gold contained in this zone is worth between $40 to $100 billion. These are surface gold deposits which are more profitable to mine than the one-mile deep gold deposits in South Africa.

In addition to controlling Catellus, Santa Fe owns and operates the Mesquite gold mine located on the Chocolate Mountain rift zone. The Mesquite gold mine is one of the top ten mines in the United States and has some of the most profitable gold deposits of any mine in the world. To the north is the Chocolate Mountain gunnery range. The Mesquite open pit gold mine literally stops at the fence that borders the gunnery range.

According to mining engineers who work at the Mesquite mine, the main gold ore body is north of the fence inside the gunnery range. Engineers allege that in 1981 and 1982, Consolidated Goldfields, which owned the mine at the time, illegally drilled into the gunnery range area to determine the composition of the ore body. The samples proved to be of high quality. According to these same engineers, beginning in the mid-1980s, military helicopters brought high ranking military officers, Congressmen and Senators to the area to examine these large gold deposits. Congressman Bruce Vento (D-Minn.) was one of those who toured the area. Engineers allege that the purpose of these tours was to come up with a way to hand these gold deposits to Consolidated Goldfields. No legal mechanism was then available to transfer this land without alerting the public to the existence of the gold. But around the same time the California Desert bill was introduced into Congress by former Senator Alan Cranston.

In 1993, Santa Fe traded all of it's coal mines for several Consolidated Goldfield mines, including the Mesquite. According to Donald Fife (spokesman for the National Association of Mining Districts), "This transaction effectively concealed a sales price that could have drawn attention to the real value of Mesquite mine and the riches north of the pit wall in the gunnery range.

If Catellus Corp. receives land from the Chocolate Mountain gunnery range, the Santa Fe would control the exclusive rights to mine the gold trend for nearly 50 miles to the north. This would bypass any possibility of any open appraisal of the gold deposits. Senator Diane Feinstein, used language in the original bill that specifically stated that Catellus Corp. should receive preferential treatment in the disbursement of original government properties.

Since evidence of the conspiracy emerged, rumors circulating the Beltway said that the Chocolate Mountain gunnery range could not be decommissioned because there was too much live ordnance on the ground. This however, was not true. Millions of surrounding acres were in similar condition after George Patton and others trained their entire armies there between 1942 and 1945. In 1947 the entire region was made safe for civilian use. Furthermore, the decommissioning of Chocolate Mountain will be quite easy in comparison to the clearing of mine fields in Kuwait.

The original version of the bill however, raised enough red flags in Congress that a few lawmakers, notably Rep. Michael Huffington (R-Calif.) got the Catellus provisions stricken. Santa Fe however could actually obtain the bulk of the gold even before the Chocolate Mountain gunnery range is decommissioned.

A careful reading of the bill suggests that the map of the range was altered in July 1993 to exclude a rectangular parcel along the south end of the range. This land comprises the immediate area north of the Mesquite gold mine and included the bulk of the gold deposits and can only be accessed through the private holdings of the Mesquite mine. Now that the bill has become law, a new map of the gunnery range will allow Mesquite to claim public land adjoining it that could hold a billion to several billion in gold. Therefore, even with the Catellus provision stricken from the bill, the money would still be routed to the same beneficiaries.

The California Public Employees Retirement System, (CALPERS) is a nearly $80 billion pension fund whose investment clout is heavily influenced by California leadership which includes Sen. Diane Feinstein. Several years ago, CALPERS made a $400 million investment in Catellus. Shortly after CALPERS made its investment in Catellus, the value of the stock collapsed 82%.

Dehnert Queen, a San Francisco businessman, filed a criminal complaint in regards to this investment to U.S. Attorney Michael J. Yamaguchi and Ms. Sylvia Scott of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. Queen states, in his complaint that Sen. Feinstein "misrepresented facts to defraud a public corporation (CALPERS), abused power and conflicts of interest to defraud State and U.S. taxpayers. In early 1993, CALPERS doubled its investment in Catellus to 41 percent...Queen contends "that both former Senator Cranston and Senator Feinstein acted to sponsor the Desert Protection Act in order to preserve and protect the formal agreement that then Mayor Feinstein signed with Catellus to build the Mission Bay Project in 1984, updated in 1986 and shepherded same through the City's (San Francisco) departments and commissions."

The land swap as purposed in The Wilderness Act "will generate the monetary value (approximately $500 million) necessary to execute Catellus' large scale development project located throughout the Bay Area." It has been alleged that Senator Feinstein as well as California Speaker of the House Willie Brown and a wide variety of San Francisco special interest groups would therefore benefit financially.

...The land swap will give Catellus Corp. thousands of contiguous acres bordering the Salton Sea which lies west of the gunnery range. Developing the arid hills and cleaning up the polluted Salton Sea would require billions of acre-feet of water. By coincidence, the Coachella Canal runs right between the Salton Sea and the range, which is about 20 miles wide and 60 miles long. Developers with such a prize could readily bid water away from owners of irrigated farms in the Brawley and El Centro areas.

Ed White, who owns a family mining business in the area is one of many whose business will now be destroyed. "The Sierra Club was just used, in my opinion, by Feinstein's bankers friends and the railroad or their land company Catellus, to create the public perception that these lands are fragile and threatened by development," said White. "The truth appears to be just the opposite. The scattered railroad lands that could never be developed are to be consolidated into a single block of 226,000 acres so they can be developed by Chocolate Mountain Gunnery Range Land and Mining Development."

It is alleged that JLB Realty Corp. based out of Chicago, is tied to Dick Blum, millionaire husband of Sen. Diane Feinstein and that JLB allegedly will stand to make a huge profit on this development. In the name of "re-wilding" millions of acres of desert, grave financial and environmental damage will occur once the land is closed to the public.

97% of the U.S. rare earth mineral production comes from the California desert. These minerals are used in high technology and are essential to the production of lasers, high-power magnets, super conductivity and pollution free cars. The United States will now be forced to obtain these minerals from foreign mineral cartels. 100% of the U.S. production of boron is from the California desert and this production which generates $500 million a year to the economy will now be lost.

Several pension and health insurance funds have large holdings in the area that now will be at risk. These include the AFL-CIO, United Steel Workers, and California State Teachers Pension Fund. The Wilderness Act includes 140,000 acres of National Forest found unsuitable for wilderness by then California Senators Alan Cranston (D) and Pete Wilson (R) in the 1983 California National Forest Wilderness Act, including 12,500 acres of the Bighorn Mountain Wilderness in the San Bernardino National Forest that impact the AFL-CIO trust properties. The greatest damage to union trust assets is the expansion of the Joshua Tree National Park by 234,000 acres to surround their Eagle Mountain Iron Mine on three sides with National Park Wilderness. This will prevent the mine from ever producing again. The steel workers health and pension assets are the mines and highly mineralized lands acquired when the Kaiser Steel's Fontana, California steel mill was forced into bankruptcy by overzealous environmental regulations and Japanese dumping of steel in the late 1970's...

...The 300,000 acres of Teachers Pension funds are the unsold state school sections that were given by the Federal government to the state more than 100 years ago. They have been for sale for 100 years and because there is no water they are not threatened with development. Unlike the AFL-CIO pension and health insurance funds, the State Legislature and the State Lands Commission discouraged exploration on those lands for energy and mineral resources. Their mineral value is unknown, but it is not uncommon in that area that a single deposit of gold, silver, boron or other minerals could exceed several billion dollars in value. The closure of the lands will generate a loss of 12,000 to 20,000 jobs and billions of dollars of economic activity will be lost annually. Over two hundred homes and private businesses worth millions of dollars that will be taken and destroyed will result in claims, lawsuits and payments of 5th amendment compensation.

One of the most insidious provisions of the act is the creation of "Reserved Federal Water Rights." The Wilderness Act will reserve federal water rights for 74 desert wilderness acres and three new national parks totaling 8 million acres. This will create a precedent, usurping state supremacy and local control of the Western States precious water rights. This will be the "camel's nose under the tent" because although the Wilderness Act applies only to the California desert it gives special standing to the Federal government in the adjudication of any water rights where wilderness is involved. It could affect all neighboring states that share watershed with California: Arizona, Nevada, Oregon even including all of the states that share the Colorado River.

The California Wildlife Federation and the Society for Bighorn Sheep have headed the opposition to the act because they say that thousands of animals will die now that the bill has been enacted. In this arid, rocky region private individuals developed and maintain water holes for the Bighorn Sheep and other wildlife: now they will be prohibited from doing so.

On October 7, 1994 at 2:00 a.m., Representative George Miller (D-Calif.), representing the East San Francisco Bay area, led the charge to ram the wilderness bill through the House where it was passed by a voice vote. The next day, Senator Malcolm Wallop (R-Wyo.) valiantly filibustered the Senate in an attempt to keep the bill from passing, but his efforts failed. The Alliance of America, a coalition of property rights groups says that a criminal investigation should focus on the roles of corrupt politicians and environmental racketeers in the biggest gold heist in history.

Let the investigation begin.

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Received via email.Posted by: Jim Robinson (jimrob@psnw.com) *
04/03/98 01:03:07 EST

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To: Jim Robinson
And the most amazing thing is, almost noone gets angry.

Its late, and I am about to weep.

Regards,

L
From: Lurker () *
04/03/98 01:13:24 EST

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To: Lurker
See what I mean?

20 minutes out here and just one response.

I really wish I could convey inflection here, because it is sad believe me.

And you removed my KTAN post the other night....LOL

We are being robbed.

Warmest regards, and I bid you goodnite.

Lurker

BTW-Thanks for the forward.
From: Lurker () *
04/03/98 01:34:20 EST

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To: Jim Robinson
I just forwarded this to a number of noisy places and people.

So hopefully, she's going to really suffer for this...

I lllllove dirt like this!

I just sent it to a bunch of California talk-show hosts with the juicy parts bold-faced and underlined....

THANK YOU JIM ROBINSON!!!
From: gaijin () *
04/03/98 01:38:42 EST

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To: Lurker
FORGET ABOUT IT!!

I'm on it "like white on rice"!!!!

My fingers have been flying all over the net one this one....for each of the 20 min. you are talking about...

DiFi is dead-meat, word-up.....
From: gaijin () *
04/03/98 01:40:54 EST

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To: Jim Robinson
I think everyone in California should be really angry about this.....
From: gaijin () *
04/03/98 02:01:51 EST

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To: gaijin
Makes my blood boil. I'd love nothing better than to see DiFi, Boxer & Co. in chains.
From: Jim Robinson (jimrob@psnw.com) *
04/03/98 02:04:58 EST

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To: gaijin
Well, this ain't helpin' my blood-pressure, either, I'm still steamed over the coal lockup in Utah. Now, more of our natural resources are being locked up, and for what? To make us dependent on foreign purchases? You tell me, and we'll BOTH know...
From: W. () *
04/03/98 02:12:58 EST

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To: W.
I think it was Mark Twain that said it...

A robber barron will plunder you less than a do-gooder busybody --HIS selfishness is constrained by a residual sense of guilt.

The point? When Feinstein-esqe dictators rob us this way, they tell us that it is for our OWN GOOD ("Oh...the poor environment!!").

Sack the country by day, sleep easy at night.

It's really sick.
From: gaijin () *
04/03/98 02:24:24 EST

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I think Diane Feinstein and the others involved I should be placed in the middle of Death Valley and left there without water, food or any necessities. In retrieving their dead, dried corpses I would be curious if the Communist elements in their blood would have completely dried up, or would the Communist blood seep into the ground to initiate a Baptism of theft, greed and traitorous activity that continues month after month, day by day, by the Communist politicians the voters continue to elect while chewing their cud on the grass of ignorance. Mafia (Chicago), Unions, politicians, Chinese, Indonesia, socialist corporations, etc. will continue to steal America from the people. Hmmmmmm.............. Now which party makes up and panders to these that continue this type of activity. ELECT RIGHT-WING, MEAN-SPIRITED, EVIL, BABY KILLING, ELDERLY KILLING, MEDICARE KILLING, GOVERNMENT KILLING CONSERVATIVES IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT AND GET BACK TO THE CONSTITUTION. Whoops, I forgot, the socialist Democrat politicians are for the "little guy." Keep on voting for them, you and/or your children will soon have the opportunity to work as a tenant farmer. You'll get to experience first hand the beauty of socialism and nazism with a touch of communism all built into this beautiful plan of slavery. Perhaps you'll be able to get a job in the foreign gold mine in California. COMMUNIST MANIFESTO: " In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
From: Uncle Bill (emailname) *
04/03/98 02:46:31 EST

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Feinstein is the same fascist piglet who would take our arms so that she wouldn't have to worry about being held accountable by the people for her treachery and self-serving term in the Senate. I can't wait for the 5th Column to come forward with their information - talk about having to decommission a bombing range after gunnery practice!
From: Michael Gallutia (mrrand46@voyager.net) *
04/03/98 11:25:08 EST

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To: Lurker

You mean that the world might be crumbling under my feet ? Ahh, the unpleasantness of it all, Pass the Novacaine, my brain is starting to tingle

From: editor-surveyor (thesurveyor@yahoo.com) *
04/03/98 11:35:26 EST

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To: Uncle Bill

While private property is indeed under attack, it's really not the Big Picture. From any particular point you will see some element of our culture and traditions coming under attack.

As we rise up out of the dust and turmoil of our respective battles to a height from which we can see the progress of the whole war, it becomes evident that what they are determined to abolish is The Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Because our nation has been, from it's foundations, a celebration of that Gospel and the Eternal Life and Freedom that are gained thereby, it will remain under attack untill the first of two events:
Our retreat and surrender, or,
The ultimate and final victory of Christ.

From: editor-surveyor (thesurveyor@yahoo.com) *
04/03/98 12:01:15 EST

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To: editor-surveyor
I found that the connection that her husband, Blum, had to be interesting....
From: gaijin () *
04/03/98 14:38:37 EST

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moving this up
From: Sandy (two@bellsouth.net) *
04/20/98 16:13:32 EDT

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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, I'm curious. Did you by any chance receive this from Karen Bixman herself? I was already familiar with this piece because it had circulated on the Prodigy Whitewater bboard back when I was still a participant over there. Karen B. used to be a regular there as well. But the last I had heard of her, she was not in good health following some surgery which resulted in a very nasty infection which occured in the hospital. This caused her to stop working on her newsletter, The Investigative Reporter. I'm just wondering if she's back in action? Any news?

Regards, Bev

bcspecht at westol dot com
From: B.C. Specht () *
04/20/98 18:24:58 EDT

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To: Sandy
Glad you moved it up, Sandy. I can't stay up that late. Michael's right, if there is a "fifth column", and the more I read- the more I believe, their laser dot should be on this worm, first.
From: Boyd () *
04/20/98 19:08:03 EDT

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To: B.C. Specht
Bev, I had remembered it from Prodigy also. This time I received it from the CAS mailing list.
From: Jim Robinson (jimrob@psnw.com) *
04/20/98 19:14:17 EDT

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The most egregious thing that DiFi and her greenies are doing, is cutting off the avenues of escape from urban areas. You know, a million acres here, a million acres there and pretty soon you have NOWHERE TO RUN!

Now it might be more believable to tell the sheeple that she and they are doing it for the greed of gold. But the power of controlling the masses and where they can live is much greater than the power of gold and other elements.

If she can gain control from greedy capitalists or greedy communists, the prize is the same, "Dominion Over Territory".
From: black cloud (loglodge@rapidnet.com) *
04/20/98 19:46:16 EDT

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To: Jim Robinson

I've also know about this for maybe five years now. No one responded then. Funny how the railroad "Robber Barron" class is so firmly associated with the Democratic party. Remember the late Pamela Harriman, so called "darling of the Democratic Party?" Descendent of the infamous Harriman 19th century robber baron railroad family? The daughter of Averil Harriman, who helped give us the UN? So they could take this environmentalist theft international?

Feinstein has already taken flack for this, and still been re-elected. It's a perfect example of the use of environmentalism toward their own ends. Report from Iron Mountain in action? That land is so barren, so hostile, it is a joke to make it a wilderness area. It's a 120 degrees in the Summer, and there's always a cold wind blowing sand during the Winter. There's no water, and no trees except for a few juniper at the highest elevations. Basically just sand and rock for miles and miles and miles. Who's going to hike into this 'Wilderness?' Virtually no one. Only a handful even went in there with four wheel drives. It's simply been put off limits in yet one more step toward the ultimate monopoly, the collectivist state of the liberal democrat.

Think of what they accomplished. The minerals that were mined there now have to be imported by the internationalists, further weakening US sovereignty. The comptetitive gold mines already in existence there, are now out of business. They get the gold from the Chocolate mountain area. And of course, there's the "golden rule." He who has the gold...rules. No wonder the awarded Diane the Frankenstein a seat on the Trilateral Commission.

From: Coyote () *
04/20/98 19:56:57 EDT

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To: Coyote
Click here for a March 1997 Bixman interview on the Ray Breim Show re: BIOSPHERES - THE TAKING OF AMERICA & the CHINA CONNECTION with guest KAREN-LEE BIXMAN of the INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

From: Jim Robinson (jimrob@psnw.com) *
04/28/98 01:23:36 EDT

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To: ALL
Back up to the top.
From: Uncle Bill (emailname) *
08/17/98 03:15:26 EDT

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To: gaijin
Most every one in CA is too brain-dead to care.
From: Wells () *
08/17/98 03:18:48 EDT

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To: Sandy
Hi Sandy. Bump.
From: Uncle Bill (emailname) *
03/18/99 01:41:22 PST

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To: Michael Gallutia

Politicians today are as crooked as they want to be - and Feinstein and her old man (an agent for the Chinese)are doing real well saving certain properties out west for them and their friends - the most crooked politicians are the ones for gun control - now does that make sense?
From: deepsixx (emailname) *
03/18/99 02:07:36 PST

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bump

1 Posted on 05/28/2000 23:41:57 PDT by Jim Robinson
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Hey Jim,

Thanks for the oldy and the goody.

Still think we can vote our way out of this crap?

Just for the record, I don't.

Regards,

L

2 Posted on 05/28/2000 23:45:20 PDT by Lurker
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To: Lurker

Only if we are successful in waking up about ten million people. Ten million voters and dedicated hard workers ought to be able to swing any election.

3 Posted on 05/28/2000 23:49:56 PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Sorry, but it's been a really long day and I am tired beyond words.

I meant no disrespect to you Jim, but it's no longer possible to wake up 10 million, or even 10 thousand to the mortal danger we are facing. Even if we could, it wouldn't make any difference. The poison is far too deep.

"The two highest achievements of the human mind are the twin concepts of "loyalty" and "duty". Whenever these twin concepts fall into disrepute -- get out of there fast! You may possibly save yourself, but it is too late to save that society. It is doomed."

From "Time Enough for Love" or "The Notebooks of Lazarus Long" Robert Heinlein.

Our society is doomed.

L

4 Posted on 05/28/2000 23:57:39 PDT by Lurker
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To: Lurker

Me either, I just try to spread the word, to wake up who I can.

5 Posted on 05/29/2000 00:00:09 PDT by Leper Messiah
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All gloom and doom, eh? Well, I'll fight on. Tomorrow will be a new day.

6 Posted on 05/29/2000 00:00:57 PDT by Jim Robinson
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I may be just about out of tomorrows Jim.

7 Posted on 05/29/2000 00:05:02 PDT by Lurker
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As long as He allows there will always be another tomorrow.

8 Posted on 05/29/2000 00:06:52 PDT by Jim Robinson
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Feinstein Cronies to Receive Millions crosslinked.

9 Posted on 05/29/2000 00:11:54 PDT by W.
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bump: at the mention of Karen Lee-Bixman on the Nichols/Lott thread. 'His 'Truth' is marching on.'

10 Posted on 07/10/2000 21:29:05 PDT by d14truth
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The references in this article to the partial owner of Catellus are incorrect. The correct name of the company is J*M*B Realty Corp based in Chicago. They used to do to quite a lot of business with state pension fund money -- but I'm not sure about CA.

11 Posted on 08/04/2000 18:51:16 PDT by independentmind
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[OneVike]

Seems like back in the day few if anyone even cared about this news. I thought I would see if there is any interest today. Even if it is old news, it is another example of how the more things change, the more they stay the same. The politicians were more interested in their own pocketbook like they are today, and like then we the citizens are always the ones who get screwed.

Seems like back in the day few if anyone even cared about this news. I thought I would see if there is any interest today. Even if it is old news, it is another example of how the more things change, the more they stay the same. The politicians were more interested in their own pocketbook like they are today, and like then we the citizens are always the ones who get screwed.

[OneVike]

Heads us, you both are involved in the comment discussions.

[OneVike]

I decided to start posting old Freeper Posts from the past along with the comments. Most will be from the years before the files were scrubbed via court order. Thus they are not in Free Republic's archive, (1997-9/1/2001) and available only through extensive research via the Wayback Machine.

If you are interested in getting a heads up when I post them let me know. This will be an infrequent endeavor that will depend upon my mood, or when I am bored with other things. Thus it will be a low volume ping that could be weekly, Monthly or less.

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[kiryandil]

Some of those poster names I haven’t seen in a long, long time.

[OneVike]

Yes and when I looked into them most are not even around anymore

[Lurker]

I’m still here.

L

[OneVike]

Yes I know. LOL

Do you remember this at all?

I know there have been well over 2 million posts since this was posted by Jim, but curious if you remember.

[chud]

Yes, this is mentioned by Bix Weir on his website Road to Roota.

If memory serves, it is also mentioned in the EXCELLENT book, Gold Warriors by Sterling & Peggy Seagrave (also available on Audible).
The corruption in that book blew my mind, to the point where I was dropping expletives out loud and exclaiming, "My God...!" at some of the sheer evil that it exposed.
A must read...!

The bottom line is, I am starting to think that the government might actually have an endgame in place for when the debt bubble bursts and the fiat dollar inevitably collapses: just return to the gold standard, using all of our locked up and long hidden gold deposits.

[algore]

Interesting, and I have heard JP Morgan has all the Silver on deposit

[OneVike]

Thanks.

Very intreresting

Yet going back to gold standard would actually be a good thing for us. So it is difficult seeing them do that.

[chud]

Yet going back to gold standard would actually be a good thing for us. So it is difficult seeing them do that.

Yes, you are correct. But it will only be done after we've bought the rest of the worlds' resources using inflated fiat money, which we will purposely allow to collapse; because really it can't be stopped - you can't fight math.
If this is indeed the "master plan" then I am torn: happy to be in the one country that may survive global economic collapse and come out on top, but nervous for exactly the same reason.

It all makes sense, in an "evil mastermind Lex Luthor" sort of way...

[OneVike]

It all makes sense, in an "evil mastermind Lex Luthor" sort of way… Very true

[Freedom4US]

They will never return to a “gold standard”, they spent decades getting away from sound economic principles for a reason, it was quite difficult and involved a lot of arm twisting and threats.

More likely they will sell off “public land” holdings. My theory is they have been pledged as collateral, and then de facto placed off limits through “Wilderness” or “Monument” status. Coal, oil, gas, timber resources are immense in America.

The USA is the “Saudi Arabia” of coal, high quality coal, enough to meet energy needs for hundreds and hundreds of years. I’m not wedded to the idea of coal or oil, or on the payroll. The problem is nothing else comes close to the energy density and low cost, good paying jobs and careers, tax revenue, and national security. Among other things.

What they have been doing is absolutely criminal.

[chud]

More likely they will sell off “public land” holdings. My theory is they have been pledged as collateral,

For the sake of argument, let's suppose that your theory is correct.
Let me ask you this: when other countries stop buying our debt and it all collapses, do you think that the US will voluntarily turn over that collateral?
Morally, that would be the right thing for a borrower to do, but do you think that we would?

What if the plan was never to pay it back at all, and just do an economic reset to the gold standard after the party is over?

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If you search the net, there is a pretty good white paper you can find written by Alan Greenspan called “Gold and Economic Freedom” in 1966. He outlines very well what the deal is.

Trust me, “they” are not going to return to gold money, or a “gold standard”. Zero chance. They have done everything in their power to get rid of it, that was the whole point.

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Thanks, I'll check it out.

Also, for those who want to see a possible scenario of what will happen if the US doesn't a backup plan to return to sound money after the collapse, check out a novel called The Mandibles: A Family, 2029-2047 by Lionel Shriver.

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