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To: Angelino97

Not showing your ID is not complying. The officer has a right to know who he or she is dealing with.

Not knowing both sides makes any other observation speculative.


5 posted on 12/08/2023 8:48:15 PM PST by skr (Righteousness exalteth a nation: sin is a reproach to any people. - Proverbs 14:34)
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To: skr
Not showing your ID is not complying. The officer has a right to know who he or she is dealing with.

Incorrect.

The only time a officer may demand you identify is if they are going to arrest you, and they need reason beyond you did not want to identify, or if you are behind the wheel of a vehicle.

You need not identify under any other circumstances.

11 posted on 12/08/2023 8:54:42 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Keep America Beautiful by keeping Canadian Trash Out. Deport Jennifer Granholm!)
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To: skr

Actually, no, you don’t have to show your ID. only if you’re being charged with something. It’s amazing how many cops don’t know that.


15 posted on 12/08/2023 9:00:25 PM PST by roving (đź‘Śâš“Deplorable Listless Vessel with Trumpitist who looks Trumpish)
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To: skr

Tasing a handcuffed person requires no speculation.

It’s intolerable cruelty every single time.

Not knowing that and casting doubt leaves folks knowing exactly with whom they’re dealing reply after reply.


22 posted on 12/08/2023 9:21:54 PM PST by Freest Republican (This space for rent)
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To: skr

You do not under ANY circumstances have to show your ID or identify yourself unless you are informed that you are being detained and for what purpose you are being detained. And also, women should not be in the field. PERIOD. I watch dozens of body cam footage that are released daily and it’s horrifying to watch how incompetent female officers are and how much danger they place themselves and others into by walking the beat. Police no longer ride in pairs and as such women can be easily overpowered and are much quicker to implement deadly force as a result. If true, this woman in no way should wear the uniform. Pfffft show an ID when no order of detainment or declaration of suspicion of a crime has been announced. I too would tell the cop to pound sand.


30 posted on 12/08/2023 9:52:26 PM PST by Jarhead9297
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To: skr

In some states you are required to identify yourself. You are not required to show ID.


36 posted on 12/08/2023 10:46:10 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: skr

> The officer has a right to know who he or she is dealing with. <

Sure, the officer would like to know. But the Fourth Amendment says the officer does not automatically have the right. We are not a “papers, please“ country.

The officer must be able to articulate probable cause.


40 posted on 12/08/2023 11:11:08 PM PST by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: skr
The officer has a plausible justification in stopping and asking for Washington to provide ID. There is a community care exception to the Fourth Amendment that permits cops to stop and question motorists with disabled vehicles.

The stop being legal, so also would the requirement by the officer to provide an ID be lawful under the stop and frisk principle that officers can require ID in order to determine who they are dealing with and in case there are any wants and warrants. That leaves the issue of whether the officer used reasonable force.

In favor of the officer is Washington's failure to comply with a lawful command to provide ID, her disparity in size compared to Washington, his possession of a gun, and his outstanding fentanyl charge. In favor of Washington is the officer's abusive language, which suggests an intention to inflict harm on him.

My guess is that the case will never go to trial. Washington will get a settlement offer of about $25,000, while the officer will get a minor ding in her record as to professional standards for abusive language and being too quick to use the taser.

Few will make the point that a large, strong male officer of Washington's size -- a traditional but no longer permitted requirement for police work -- would likely have been able to get him to comply and would never have felt a need or desire to use a taser.

75 posted on 12/09/2023 2:15:37 AM PST by Rockingham (`)
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To: skr

If he wasn’t the driver, he has no obligation to show an ID, but your comment doesn’t even apply here, as he did give the corrupt cop his ID.


86 posted on 12/09/2023 4:06:28 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: skr

Show me your papers?


94 posted on 12/09/2023 4:40:37 AM PST by Theophilus (It's far easier to rig a jury than an electionhe )
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To: skr
” The officer has a right to know who he or she is dealing with.”

She doesn't have rights she has privileges.

111 posted on 12/09/2023 6:19:37 AM PST by dljordan
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To: skr

You are wrong.

No person is required to produce identification to any police officer unless that officer can “ articulate a reasonable suspicion a crime has been committed or is about to be committed”

See Supreme Court, she belongs in PRISON
Aggravated Assault
Felony Kidnapping

And I would add 20 years for the FALSE Drug Charge she made.


117 posted on 12/09/2023 6:32:13 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: skr

No the cop has no right to demand ID unless they have articuable suspicion of a crime. You can tell them to eff off. They can’t touch you either its assault.

This guy will be getting a nice fat settlement and deservedly so.


123 posted on 12/09/2023 6:43:50 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: skr

If Washington not ID state he doesn’t need to show unless detained for possible crime.


128 posted on 12/09/2023 7:16:11 AM PST by bobrlbob
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To: skr

IN Texas, the officer has that right ONLY after a lawful detention for a violation of the penal code or traffic violation. Not just because of a hunch or a “feeling”. They can’t demand ID “just because”.


134 posted on 12/09/2023 7:36:46 AM PST by txeagle
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To: skr

“Not showing your ID is not complying. The officer has a right to know who he or she is dealing with.”


She wouldn’t have been “dealing” with him at all if she hadn’t approached and demanded to know who he was when he was just working on changing a tire.


136 posted on 12/09/2023 7:43:29 AM PST by CFW (I will not comply!)
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To: skr

Wow! Have you heard of the 4th Amendment? Probable cause? And a “Papers” demand is totally Gestapo. And taking multiple times when he was not charged with resisting? This cop was out of control. Perhaps that is why she was releived of duty. If the PD thinks you were in the right you usually get a desk job until you’re cleared. If your bust was suspect by the PD you get paid leave like she did.


180 posted on 12/09/2023 12:40:38 PM PST by Rowdyone (Vigilence)
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