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Ohio ballot initiative results
NBC News ^ | November 7, 2023

Posted on 11/07/2023 4:42:27 PM PST by Coronal

Polls just closed, first results coming in. Yes is presently winning on both initiatives.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio
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To: Wayne07
John Roberts was right, politically. It would have been better for the court to do a narrow decision, slightly rolling back abortion rights. Give time for states to adjust.

That's what I said in a thread a while ago. Sometime after we got the results from the election in 2022.

The role of the SCOTUS is not to rip the band aid off. We should have made it so that states are able to ban abortion at 24 weeks. That's almost 5 months.

Well, it doesn't matter now anyway. We got rid of Roe vs Wade. All the states will make it legal in their state constitutions.

81 posted on 11/07/2023 6:42:00 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
It's a losing issue.

Ultimately, it's a losing issue for the side that embraces abortion. We need to play the long game on this and every other moral issue. A nation that embraces immorality will ultimately collapse.
82 posted on 11/07/2023 6:46:33 PM PST by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: Trump20162020
Abortion has won every single referendum since 2022's Dobbs Supreme Court decision.

I would posit that every key election since the Dobbs decision has been subject to a massive amount of cheating. For people who think it is morally acceptable to slaughter babies in the womb, does anyone really think they would hesitate to rig elections? Post-Christian America is becoming a very ugly place.
83 posted on 11/07/2023 6:49:12 PM PST by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: Antoninus
I would posit that every key election since the Dobbs decision has been subject to a massive amount of cheating.

Not necessary for referendums on abortion. Every woman is pro-choice and all of them will walk on broken glass to vote.

84 posted on 11/07/2023 6:50:52 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: Alberta's Child

If you want to get Democrats to think twice....
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Before they can think twice they need to think once and that rarely happens. They emote.

To say that advocating for abortions for liberal women, or blacks or illegals would have some impact on their thinking is ridiculous. Killing the unborn, the disabled, the ill, the old, you name it, is in their warped view a solution for every problem of humanity.


85 posted on 11/07/2023 6:51:54 PM PST by chickenlips (Neuter your politicians)
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To: Trump20162020
Abortion has won every single referendum since 2022's Dobbs Supreme Court decision. I still think that ruling was the single biggest thing that blunted the 2022 red wave.

If Roe v. Wade were put up to a vote, I agree that it would almost certainly win in almost all states. Unfortunately, but that's where we are.

That said, a chronic problem in voter referenda over the years has been opaque and sometimes deliberately misleading language. This is not limited to abortion, and it is certainly nothing new. The tactic is, of course, quite asymmetrical. The left conceals its purposes and relies on its dominance of the media to play bait and switch. Conservatives are far likelier to tell the truth.

This has been true on abortion for many years. An appalling number of Americans think that Roe was the standard prior to the Dobbs decision. That is of course laughable; Roe was left in the dust long ago but low information voters have no idea.

At the risk of oversimplifying, Roe's trimester scheme would translate into a 12 week window for abortion on demand, with abortions subject to close regulation in the second trimester and presumptively banned in the third trimester except to save the life or health of the mother -- with most voters understanding "health" to mean extremely serious physical complications. As everyone here understands, however, the health exception was exploited many years ago by the pro-abortion lobby and activist judges to shatter all limits.

In the post-Dobbs round of referenda, many voters -- probably a plurality -- troop to the polls thinking they are codifying Roe. They have no idea that the referendum language is pure bait and switch.

There is probably still strong majority support for parental notification and, in many states, parental consent. There is an age of emancipation issue embedded in this as well, but let's put that aside for the moment.

Majorities would support informed consent, including mandatory ultrasounds, notification by an impartial party -- not the abortionist or the staff at Planned Parenthood -- about alternatives to abortion and the support available to women who choose to carry the child to term.

Strong majorities would oppose very late stage abortions. It would vary state by state, but I would guess that in most states voters would be willing to draw the line at fetal viability and fetal pain. A fair number of states would vote in favor of a fetal heartbeat standard.

And I would guess that not one voter in ten has any idea that the whole trans agenda is being smuggled in via the false flag "codify Roe" campaigns.

The success of the bait and switch campaigns to date will ensure that these issues and more will be fought out state by state over the next several decades. The difference will be that the next time around, pro-lifers will be playing offense. It will be important to choose our fights carefully. The trans issues will be among the first to hit. Beyond that, informed consent is a winning issue. Ultrasounds are a winning issue. Fetal viability is a winning issue, with fetal pain as the followup. A strong, affirmative push for a preference for adoption is a winning issue, and the whole informed consent issue can be embodied in that. Conservatives will need to write referendum language that is clear and precisely tailored to specific, easily understandable goals that are difficult for the left to misrepresent.

The fight is just beginning.

86 posted on 11/07/2023 6:55:33 PM PST by sphinx
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To: sethro
Thanks for link. Some gory details.

Nazi Germany did not allow abortion after the second trimester. We are bad people. God help us.

87 posted on 11/07/2023 6:55:49 PM PST by HandyDandy (“Borders, language and culture” Dr. Savage)
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To: steve86

‘They have original sin and aren’t baptized.’

what utter nonsense...


88 posted on 11/07/2023 6:55:53 PM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: Antoninus
Ultimately, it's a losing issue for the side that embraces abortion.

You allow the Left to embrace abortion. Then you act like Orthodx Jews and have 7 children in your family. You'll end up running the country in three generations from now.

89 posted on 11/07/2023 7:05:05 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

“You allow the Left to embrace abortion. Then you act like Orthodx Jews and have 7 children in your family. You’ll end up running the country in three generations from now.”

... as you mourn the lives lost to utter depravity and selfishness....


90 posted on 11/07/2023 7:07:28 PM PST by Reddy (BO stinks)
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To: ViLaLuz

I live and work in Ohio.

I am going into work tomorrow and say, “Congrats for voting for abortionfanticide! You must be so proud!”


91 posted on 11/07/2023 7:09:07 PM PST by Reddy (BO stinks)
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To: Coronal

Just because it went back to the states doesn’t mean the rabble should decide.


92 posted on 11/07/2023 7:09:21 PM PST by Lisbon1940 (I don’t see why they would)
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To: Reddy

Start asking the liberals, “So, when are you getting your abortion?”


93 posted on 11/07/2023 7:09:53 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Reddy
I am going into work tomorrow and say, “Congrats for voting for abortionfanticide! You must be so proud!”

Tomorrow is another day. There was nothing surprising about the results from the referendum today.

94 posted on 11/07/2023 7:10:45 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: Antoninus

Amen.


95 posted on 11/07/2023 7:10:56 PM PST by Reddy (BO stinks)
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To: Reddy

And then legalizing marijuana on top of it all!


96 posted on 11/07/2023 7:12:16 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Lisbon1940
Just because it went back to the states doesn’t mean the rabble should decide.

That’s why we tried to make our constitution require a 60% before being amended. And a bunch of republicans voted against it.
97 posted on 11/07/2023 7:35:14 PM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: Mark

I doubt that highly. Never baptized. Your doomed.


98 posted on 11/07/2023 8:00:17 PM PST by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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To: napscoordinator

People around before Jesus are all in Hell?


99 posted on 11/07/2023 8:36:21 PM PST by Mark (DONATE ONCE every 3 months-is that a big deal?)
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To: steve86

People around before Jesus are all in Hell?


100 posted on 11/07/2023 8:48:18 PM PST by Mark (DONATE ONCE every 3 months-is that a big deal?)
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