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Not All Palestinians Are Hamas, But Hamas Does Represent The Palestinians
The Federalist ^ | 10/24/2023 | Jonathan S. Tobin

Posted on 10/24/2023 9:50:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Biden is wrong that the group is an outlier. That’s why any revival of two-state solution diplomacy will only lead to more bloodshed.

President Joe Biden’s attitude toward the war launched by the Hamas terrorist organization against Israel has been somewhat contradictory. Since the Oct. 7 attacks, he has spoken in a manner that has reaffirmed the alliance between the two countries in an emotional and empathetic manner that was entirely appropriate to the tragic circumstances. In aligning the United States behind the cause of eliminating the terror group that has governed Gaza as an independent Palestinian state in all but name since 2007, he also unexpectedly embraced a position that was opposed by the liberal commentariat that has unflinchingly backed him throughout his catastrophic presidency.

But he has also sought to place conditions on Israel’s efforts to deal with the threat to its security in such a manner as to call into question whether the goal of decisively defeating Hamas is going to be possible.

His scolding Israel about not hitting civilian targets in Gaza was nothing more than virtue signaling, since Israel needs no such advice. Indeed, the Pentagon has sent officers to Israel to get its instruction on how to avoid civilian casualties because its procedures are as rigorous as that of any army in the world.

Under the guise of humanitarian concerns, Biden demanded that Israel allow convoys with food, water, and medical equipment into Gaza. That essentially allowed the resupply of Hamas’ heavily armed force, not just essentials to the civilian population under its control.

Hamas Is Not an Outlier

As part of the justification of Biden’s attempt to micromanage Israel’s national defense, he has repeatedly insisted, as he did in his Oct. 20 Oval Office speech, that he sees Hamas as something of an outlier. “The vast majority of Palestinians are not Hamas. Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people.”

Publications such as New York magazine have argued the same.

This sounds right to Americans who find it hard to believe that ordinary Palestinians could possibly support a group that Biden rightly compared to ISIS because of the barbarous crimes it committed on Oct. 7, which include the murder of entire families including infants, as well as rape, torture, and the desecration of corpses. More than 200 people were also reportedly dragged into captivity in Gaza (including Americans, two of whom were released on Oct. 20) and are being held as hostages.

It would be nice to think Hamas is unrepresentative of Palestinian opinion. If that were true, then the prospects for Israeli-Palestinian peace in the aftermath of the current fighting, or even in the foreseeable future, would be a lot less bleak.

But the facts say otherwise.

Hamas’ leadership views Palestinian civilian casualties as a political asset rather than a calamity. The terrorist group hides behind institutions such as hospitals and schools (including those run by the United Nations) as cover for their activities. They use the civilian population as human shields to make it harder for the Israelis to strike at their military assets.

But there is little or no evidence that this has created opposition among those who have dwelt under their tyrannical Islamist rule for the last 16 years.

Biden’s assertions about the Palestinians and Hamas have begun to sound like President George W. Bush’s reflexive use of the phrase that Islam is a “religion of peace” that had nothing to do with al Qaeda’s Islamism, as his administration repeated endlessly after the 9/11 attacks.

Biden’s argument would be stronger if Palestinians didn’t routinely take to the streets to celebrate terror attacks against Israel. The cheers for the Hamas murderers when they returned in triumph to Gaza on Oct. 7, where they displayed their captives and the corpses of some of the Jews they had slain, only ended once Israel’s strikes against the terrorists commenced.

Voting and Polling in Gaza

It also requires us to forget that Hamas defeated the supposedly more moderate Fatah Party, whose leader Mahmoud Abbas is the president of the Palestinian Authority, in the 2006 Palestinian legislative election. That vote was held at Bush’s behest during the high point of America’s democracy advocacy fever. Hamas did especially well in Gaza, and that was the impetus for its bloody 2007 coup that evicted Fatah from the strip.

Israel withdrew every settler and settlement from Gaza in 2005 in the hopes that the gesture would help lead to peace. Palestinians were given autonomy. But by 2007, they had established an Islamic tyranny led by Hamas, dedicated to “armed struggle” to overturn the “occupation.” And by “occupation,” Hamas says, in both its founding charter and ongoing statements, this means destroying Israel no matter where its borders might be drawn.

Since 2007, Hamas rule in Gaza has for the most part gone unchallenged, except for groups like the Iran-controlled Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which is, if anything, even more radical and violent. Since the Arab population still views all Jews as “colonists” and “occupiers” and not just those who live in the areas that were held by the Arab states before the 1967 Six Day War, Palestinian political culture valorizes terrorism and treats those who shed Jewish blood as having gained political legitimacy.

Polling shows that 57 percent of Gazans view Hamas positively, and 52 percent of those in the West Bank agree with them. A 2021 poll found 53 percent of Palestinians say Hamas should represent them.

Though their apologists dismiss the 2006 results as ancient history, that polling validates Abbas’ refusal to hold another election. He is currently serving the 19th year of the four-year term to which he was elected in 2005, and his fears about being beaten by Hamas explain that long pause.

Hamas’ unabashed calls for Israel’s destruction and terrorism are more popular than Fatah’s more equivocal position in which it claims to support peace but has turned down every offer of statehood and independence because that required that it also recognize Israel’s legitimacy.

The Palestinian Authority continues its “pay-for-slay” policies, in which all those who commit terrorist acts against Israelis (including the Oct. 7 atrocities) and are serving prison time are eligible for salaries and their families get pensions.

Those seeking to draw a distinction between Hamas and ordinary Palestinians must also reckon with the way the Islamist group has influenced religious life in the West Bank as well as Gaza, which it directly controls.

The Palestinian Authority’s religious ministry issued a directive to all mosques in the West Bank to include a hadith from the Quran in their Oct. 20 sermons that preaches how the redemption of humanity is contingent on Muslims killing and eventually exterminating all Jews. This means that the same views that fueled the crimes of Oct. 7 are considered mainstream by even those Muslim authorities that Washington considers to be under the control of a moderate Palestinian group.

This points to a fact that the U.S. foreign policy establishment is committed to ignoring. Hamas’ Gaza statelet is living proof that, under the current circumstances, a two-state solution is a guarantee of continued bloodshed, not a path to peace.

Those celebrities calling for an immediate ceasefire aren’t just demanding the equivalent of a halt to U.S. operations against al Qaeda on Sept. 12, 2001. They are also following Biden’s lead in pretending that most Palestinians don’t support terrorism or aren’t committed to continuing their long war to destroy the only Jewish state on the planet, an end they know can only be achieved by genocide.

Hamas’ popularity doesn’t negate the right of Palestinians to be treated with dignity. And all civilian casualties in war are to be mourned and, if possible, avoided, wherever possible. But if this conflict is to end, that will only be possible by decisive actions that lead to Hamas’ complete and total defeat. It also depends on the acknowledgment by Palestinians that, like the Germans and Japanese in 1945, the ideologies that have dominated their politics were mistaken and must be abandoned.

The pretense that Palestinians aren’t supportive of Hamas will make that impossible. Until Biden realizes he is wrong about Palestinian public opinion, his pious optimism about Hamas’ unpopularity may do a great deal of harm.


Jonathan S. Tobin is a senior contributor to The Federalist, editor in chief of JNS.org, and a columnist for Newsweek.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: hamas; israel; palestinians; terrorism; wot
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1 posted on 10/24/2023 9:50:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
3 things that are fairy tales:

1. Santa Claus
2. Easter Bunny
3. "Palestine"

2 posted on 10/24/2023 9:57:24 AM PDT by dware (Americans prefer peaceful slavery over dangerous freedom)
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To: SeekAndFind

Germany and Japan had to be utterly defeated before a lasting peace could be achieved and it’s the same with Hamas.


3 posted on 10/24/2023 9:59:16 AM PDT by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that almost all of big media is AGENDA-DRIVEN, not-truth driven.)
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To: dware

This pretty much sums it up

Video A Palestinian man celebrates on the streets of Gaza as Hamas fires rockets over his head toward Israel.
Soon after, he posts a video of himself crying in a hospital after an Israeli airstrike
https://rumble.com/v3r1eta-a-palestinian-man-celebrates-hamas-rocket-fire-then-cries-at-hospital.html


4 posted on 10/24/2023 10:00:02 AM PDT by janetjanet998 (Legacy media including youtube are the enemy of the people and must die)
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To: SeekAndFind

The simple fact of the matter is if as many Americans voted for Trump in 2020 as Palestinians voted for Hamas, Trump would have won in a general electorate historic landslide.


5 posted on 10/24/2023 10:00:31 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: SeekAndFind

But who is the real enemy?

Wouldn’t it be whoever is funding Hamas and starting all wars while at the same time mind-controlling the regular populations of the Middle East and of the US?


6 posted on 10/24/2023 10:02:59 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: reasonisfaith

RE: Wouldn’t it be whoever is funding Hamas and starting all wars

The Biden administration still does not want to name the funder even though we all know WHERE the source of funding is from.


7 posted on 10/24/2023 10:04:24 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
These people had a choice all these years. There had to be thousands of them who knew where rocket launchers were being set up or munitions being stored or regular meeting places of Hamas. They could have gotten that info to the right places to be dealt with.

Instead they kept quiet and even cheered in the streets when Hamas killed any Jews. I have no sympathy.

8 posted on 10/24/2023 10:05:36 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the Left, The Truth is Right Wing Violence⭐⭐)
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To: SeekAndFind

We are on the cusp of WW3. If the conflict widens and we go to war with Iran WW3 is pretty much guaranteed. Should that happen, many Americans will blame Israel for dragging us into it. If you think anti-Israel sentiment and antisemitism is bad now, you haven’t seen nothing yet.


9 posted on 10/24/2023 10:12:19 AM PDT by jimwatx
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To: SeekAndFind

Not All Palestinians Are Hamas, But Hamas Does Represent The Palestinians

Could be said “Not all Americans are Obamanistas, but Obama does run America”. Just because we do not support what is going on, we sit and bitch about it, but DO NOTHING. The time for talk is past, WAAaaaay past the time it can do any good. The only opposition is an old man who if elected will only serve 4 years, 2 of them fighting for his agenda. Are we all like Jenna Ellis, so afraid of prison that we are buckling at the knees? If my Dads generation was alive, this would not be happening. This is not even my generation anymore. I am a 70 year old cancer patient. Where are the 30-60 year olds with experience? What about that oath taken by us all?

We live in a country filled with boys and men of passion, likely 10 million let in, flown in with one purpose, to destroy and kill, to intimidate. I hope there are people out there training for the fight to come, because the question “who will the military and police side with” has been answered. They will salute the machine that writes their paychecks.


10 posted on 10/24/2023 10:14:20 AM PDT by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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“Where are the 30-60 year olds with experience?”

They probably saw that when the left takes action, with Antifa and BLM, then the organized left supports them, gets them bail money, lawyers, etc.

And they saw when the right took action, the organized right abandoned them completely.


11 posted on 10/24/2023 10:28:11 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: SeekAndFind

HAMAS MUST BE DESTROYED.

ANNIHILATED.

Accept no substitute.


12 posted on 10/24/2023 10:32:51 AM PDT by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hamas actually won an election in Gaza a long time ago. They never hold any elections there since!


13 posted on 10/24/2023 10:43:58 AM PDT by AZJeep
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To: SeekAndFind

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14 posted on 10/24/2023 11:27:19 AM PDT by sauropod (The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I was just in Israel. I stayed in a Palestinian city the first four nights and Jerusalem for four nights. I had no problems in either place. But I did notice that the Jewish owner of my hotel locked the door every time I entered or left. Gaza is a slum. In the rest of Israel minus the west bank, The country is modern, and Palestinians are completely embedded within the community. Yes they live mostly in their sector. But they work in most of the businesses. And they represent half of the people that walk the street.


15 posted on 10/24/2023 11:27:39 AM PDT by poinq (thics and customs and did not take an oath to the country. And did not follow the country's traditio)
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To: reasonisfaith

That depends.

If the funding is coming from someone the news says we should dislike... then yes, we can blame them.

If it is from someone the news tells us that we must support, then no, it’s someone else’s fault.


16 posted on 10/24/2023 11:28:34 AM PDT by nitzy (I wonder if the telescreens in 1984 were first called "free Obamascreens")
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To: SeekAndFind

Islam is the problem. The”bad” Muslim will kill you. The “good” Muslim will cheer him on.


17 posted on 10/24/2023 11:34:05 AM PDT by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Militia to the border! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is what we ALWAYS do.

We want to pretend as if this is not systemic to Islam, or the Palestinians, or, or, or.

Truth be told, it is:

—Read their doctrine (Koran and Hadith).

—Learn about their 1,400 years of history.

—Listen to their leaders both religious and political.

—Analyze the opinion polls that tell you what they think.

—See how they treat others once they attain a majority or even just have a large say: Lebanon, Egypt, Sudan...

—Look at their actions not only in Israel, but even in the US, Europe, anywhere where they have a presence.

—Ask yourself what religion can’t get along with anyone else? Why is it that you can have Jews, Christians, Hindu, Zoroastrians, Shinto, Bahia, all get along, but when you inject Islam with anyone, things blow up?

—Ask yourself why when these terror attacks do happen, and if they have the ability, do they do it by chopping off heads, throwing people from buildings, or lighting them on fire (this is how they are instructed to deal with an infidel, homo, or apostate).

Why we do this?

In a secular Western mind, it is inconceivable that people are organized around religion.

The liberal westerner essentially projects their own value system on them, but their value system is entirely organized around their religion: How they dress (Hijab), what they eat (Halal), their laws (Sharia), what freedoms and how far democracy can go (no depictions of Muhammad, LGBTQIA rights...).

It is this dichotomy in the West which allows for folks carrying LGBTQIA+ flags at pro Palestinian protests.

We try very hard to pretend this problem away, coming up with garbage like “Religion of Peace” post 9-11, but even that was untrue since Islam literally means “submission,” which is not even close to what we want to ascribe to them. We make movies like “Kingdom of God” which sells the Christian white guilt narrative, but it is factually wrong and incomplete, the crusades were a reaction to the Muslim invasions of Italy, Spain and the Holy Land, and where people were brutalized by them.

While it is the definition of ignorance, it will continue because Western society has a financial incentive (cheap labor, oil) and adopted this homo-globo philosophy using terms like diversity, racism, Islamophobia, tolerance and inclusion to suppress anything which contradicts it’s paradigm. You don’t need a logical argument, just throw one of those terms out there as a shield and you’ll be fine when defending the systemic problems we face today with Islam.

***Things need to become far worse and to where it’s personal for the majority of Westerners or at least for those that define our culture and laws.***


18 posted on 10/24/2023 11:36:21 AM PDT by Red6
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To: TangoLimaSierra
These people had a choice all these years. There had to be thousands of them who knew where rocket launchers were being set up or munitions being stored or regular meeting places of Hamas. They could have gotten that info to the right places to be dealt with. Instead they kept quiet and even cheered in the streets when Hamas killed any Jews. I have no sympathy.

How do you not see that the EXACT same argument could be made against the civilians of Israel (who actually do hold regular elections)????

Not to mention....this exact argument is what Osama Bin Laden used to justify the attacks on 9/11.

It is just really bad logic.

19 posted on 10/24/2023 11:37:42 AM PDT by nitzy (I wonder if the telescreens in 1984 were first called "free Obamascreens")
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To: jimwatx

Many will blame this and that country. I’ll blame D.C. They’ve been funding hate for decades.


20 posted on 10/24/2023 11:57:55 AM PDT by bgill
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