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Robert F. Kennedy's divorce from the Democrats TIES the 2024 race between Donald Trump and Joe Biden - as he sucks independents away from the ex-president
Daily Mail ^ | October 14, 2024 | Nikki Schwab

Posted on 10/14/2023 9:22:59 PM PDT by Angelino97

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s announcement Monday to run for president as an Independent complicates the presidential race, with early surveys showing him tying up the race between President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump.

A Fox News poll from Wednesday found that in a three-way race between Trump, who is the frontrunner for the Republican nomination, Biden and Kennedy, Biden and Trump tie at 41 percent and Kennedy sucks up 16 percent of the vote.

A Zogby survey conducted for the pro-Kennedy PAC American Values 2024 had similar findings, with Trump and Biden tied at 38 percent and with Kennedy garnering 19 percent of the vote.

What's interesting is that when a generic independent candidate was polled against Trump and Biden, Trump actually won that race 40 percent to Biden's 38 percent, but when Kennedy - a prominent anti-vaxxer - was specifically asked about, he pulled support away from the Republican ex-president...

Additionally, the numbers shake out differently in the Fox poll.

In that survey, Biden was one point ahead of Trump if just the two of them were on the ballot - with 49 percent for Biden and 48 percent for Trump.

When Kennedy was added, Biden lost that edge and he and Trump tied.

But a two or three-way general election isn't likely, because academic Cornel West has already entered the fray and will likely appear as the Green Party's candidate on the 2024 general election ballot...

Fox found that independents were more likely to go for Kennedy, 41 percent, than West, 28 percent - and that was detrimental to Trump, who performs 9 percent better among independents against West than when Kennedy is in the picture.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2024; antivaxx; antivaxxhero; bidensproxies; bs; donaterfk; fakenews; fakepolls; hillary; nikkischwab; rfkjr; robertfkennedyjr; spoiler; tds; trump; voterfk
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To: Angelino97

Robert Kennedy PAC is called American Values? Shouldn’t it be called Globalist Value? Independents going for Trump in a two way race will go for RFK in a 3 way match? Sure ..


81 posted on 10/15/2023 6:48:03 AM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (Guns don't kill people, LIBERALS DO!! Support the Second Amendment...)
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To: exDemMom
And along with that, he managed to convince too many conservatives that being antivax/antiscience is somehow an issue of freedom rather than of rejecting health

No rational person needed RFK to convince them that the Vaxes were harmful. The anti-science kooks are those who deny the scientific and firsthand evidence that prove this. If you do not know anyone who lost their jobs because of the mandates... you are either very isolated or live in a country that is run very differently than where my wife and I live. Taking away people's livelihood and their financial means to keep make their house payments, fuel their vehicles and feed their families... is taking away their freedom. Your idiocy on the vaxes infuriates me.

82 posted on 10/15/2023 6:59:39 AM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: Angelino97

RFK was a bigger supporter of Hillary , when she tried assume power. Never forget that one point alone.


83 posted on 10/15/2023 7:04:54 AM PDT by MGunny ( )
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To: Angelino97

Don’t believe the BS from the fake new media. Of course its in their best interests to hurt Trump. RFK will hamper Biden more than Trump. RAT voters disgusted with Biden will go to RFK, a liberal RAT. Trump’s MAGA army won’t budge.


84 posted on 10/15/2023 7:16:40 AM PDT by kenmcg (ti hi o)
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To: Republican Wildcat; All

Wow great research on RFK,JR!


85 posted on 10/15/2023 7:41:00 AM PDT by Syncro (God is Good Facts is Facts)
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To: Angelino97

I don’t trust independents one bit they go with the flow of the media more then anything else they helped Obama and Biden a lot.


86 posted on 10/15/2023 7:44:37 AM PDT by Vaduz (....)
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To: one guy in new jersey

“Trump will prevail as between him and Kennedy if the Margin of Fraud can somehow be surmounted.”

It only takes fraud in less than 10 counties nationally in swing states to ensure a Biden victory. In 2020 one county in Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Arizona gave the Electoral College to Biden. In 2024 the Dems can probably swing North Carolina with some combination of Wake, Mecklenburg, and Durham counties.

Kennedy gives squishy independents, who might vote against Biden due to age and bad policy an alternative to voting for Trump. Remember fair elections are decided by the white suburban/urban female vote and significant numbers are subject to emotional issues like abortion. Kennedy gives them an opportunity to vote against Biden while still voting for abortion.


87 posted on 10/15/2023 7:53:47 AM PDT by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on )
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To: RoosterRedux; nbenyo; Ge0ffrey; stanne
I think you are correct.
The media is not going to reveal just how many Democrats are fed up with how extreme (read: Marxist) their party has become.
And the truth is, we don't know what effect RFK, Jr will have on the Democrat Party and independent voters.


I had thought that the massive cheating in the 2020 Big Steal would be the end of the Dem Party because massive cheating is the only way they can "win" elections. I was expecting the courts or legislatures to have done more at the time. However, Dems and Dem leaning independents are catching on to how corrupt the Dems are, and how rigged the process is. They cheated Bernie and the Bernie Bros twice. There was no enthusiasm for Biden among "progressive" Dems in 2020 since he was and is a corporatist, Uniparty politician. The actual votes Biden got were overwhelmingly people voting against Trump. They weren't voting for Biden.

With RFK, Jr. on the ballot, these people now have the option of voting for him, and his vision for what a progressive party should be. If he can get on the ballot in enough states, and get enough traction in the polls, he will get a lot of votes from dissatisfied Dems and Dem leaning independents. People who understand that life was better under Trump, but still won't vote for him, will have no problem voting for RFK, Jr.

The big question is will those votes be recorded accurately by the Dems running the elections? If we understand that the 2020 Election was stolen not only in the big cities, but by shaving the margin of victory of Trump and other Republicans in Red districts, then RFK, Jr.'s candidacy offers both hope and concern. In a close three way race, the number of votes needed to win decreases. So, votes could be stolen from Trump and given to RFK, Jr. to enable the Dems to win again in places that engage in cheating. This is especially a problem where vote counting has been centralized statewide. However, in other places which are not corrupted, RFK, Jr. will take votes from Biden and the Dems. This will require Dems stealing more votes in other places. Considering how illegitimate the 2020 results were, the steal would become even more obvious, and harder to deny.
88 posted on 10/15/2023 7:56:35 AM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: Angelino97

I’m seeing a couple of my Q friends who normally vote GOP up and down the ballot going for RFK Jr.

Mostly about vax stuff. They’re not happy with President Trump touting the COVID vax that he developed with Warp Speed, and they like RFK Jr’s long standing championing freedom to not be vaxxed against your will. I think they put too much emphasis on this one thing, and they ignore that the President never forced his vax on anyone, and they won’t listen to me about it, which is frustrating.

The Kennedy thing, too. Although they claim to not believe in the return of JFK Jr. and stuff, I think they secretly believe it, and I suspect they think RFK Jr is part of The Plan. Whatever that is this week.

Whenever I talk to these friends I’m reminded again as to why I never was interested in QAnon. We share a lot of ideas in common, but they go off the rails in multiple ways that are unsettling.


89 posted on 10/15/2023 7:59:56 AM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! Stand for Trump or Kneel for Leftists!)
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To: Republican Wildcat

WOW, I am bookmarking this. I’m going to send it to my Q friends to hopefully make them see reason.


90 posted on 10/15/2023 8:01:25 AM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! Stand for Trump or Kneel for Leftists!)
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To: abbastanza

Ross Perot was a conservative. Kennedy is a liberal. Big difference.


91 posted on 10/15/2023 8:02:17 AM PDT by Bookshelf
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To: TomGuy

“The only Repubs Kennedy will attract are those who wouldn’t vote for Trump anyway.”

that’s exactly correct ...

only those who HATE biden and HATE trump AND are quite happy with the status quo will throw their vote away on a 3rd party candidate who has zero chance to change the status quo ...

all those who are truly unhappy and disgusted an/or have been reduced to penury by the policies of the bidenistas and are desperate for change will NOT waste their votes and WILL vote for change ...

all the strum and drang by the deep state democrat fascist propaganda media is just that: propaganda ... either that or they’re just whistling past the graveyard ...


92 posted on 10/15/2023 8:03:08 AM PDT by catnipman (A Vote For The Lesser Of Two Evils Still Counts As A Vote For Evil)
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To: Dr. Franklin
The biggest problem for the country is that a huge percentage of the population (i.e, the Democrats) has been indoctrinated/hypnotize/brainwashed into Leftist/Marxist thought.

The question to me is, "Will RFK, Jr awaken any of these people from their hypnotic state?"

A slightly smaller problem is that people on the Right are in denial of the Marxist revolution that is currently underway. The question there is, "Will those people awaken from their slumber/stupor in time to take action?"

93 posted on 10/15/2023 8:07:56 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: All

But is Biden even going to be running ?
RFK was polling at 14% among Dems so it’s not like he had zero support from them.
I could see Biden and/or Trump promising Kennedy a cabinet position if he was actually hurting their chances.


94 posted on 10/15/2023 8:19:25 AM PDT by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
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To: RoosterRedux
The biggest problem for the country is that a huge percentage of the population (i.e, the Democrats) has been indoctrinated/hypnotize/brainwashed into Leftist/Marxist thought

Politicians offering something for nothing, or promising wealth redistribution will always find an audience. Eventually, people realize that when a party promises such things, but never passes legislation that they have been conned.

The question to me is, "Will RFK, Jr awaken any of these people from their hypnotic state?"

As long as he steals votes from Biden and the Dems, if he runs as part of a third party rather than as simply an indie, I don't much care. The modern Dem party is simply a group of elitists who appeal to urban minority groups to stay in power while doing the bidding of Wall Street and the International Free Traders.

A slightly smaller problem is that people on the Right are in denial of the Marxist revolution that is currently underway. The question there is, "Will those people awaken from their slumber/stupor in time to take action?"

I am of the opinion that the Dem leadership is actually far from Marxist. Was Obamacare Marxist or simply fascist? Is Big Pharma Marxist or simply fascist? Select elites make big money under Dem administration. Do you really think that is Marxist, or simply fascist?
95 posted on 10/15/2023 8:41:53 AM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: Dr. Franklin
Democrat politicians don't even know what Marxism is. Like most Republicans, they are just greedy swamp dwellers. But their greediness is used by Marxists to destroy our system of government.

That said, the Woke Liberals in America (the voters) have been brainwashed. They have a very good, even visceral understanding, of Marxism. They hate Constitutional America with a passion.

96 posted on 10/15/2023 8:56:17 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: imabadboy99
" And RFK may not make the ballot in a lot of states. we will see."

LP has made all 50 since 2016.

97 posted on 10/15/2023 9:09:33 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (TrumpII)
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To: Dr. Franklin
Do you really think that is Marxist, or simply fascist?

You raise a good point there.

The BLM/Woke/LGBTQ movement in America has been carefully nurtured by Marxists for many years. They started back in the early 20th century indoctrinating people in the black community and then moved to the educational system.

Unbeknownst to the Marxists in America, there are those who support and use them but they have no interest in Marxist ideology.

As you say, they don't care whether the movement is Marxist or Fascist.

These are the Globalists who plan to control whatever dictatorship is ultimately installed.

Something like this...


98 posted on 10/15/2023 9:12:33 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: Angelino97
Here's how you know this is wrong, even before looking at the topline and the internals and how they changed their populations sample ... RFKjr was already polling 19% Democrat just a month ago in Fox's poll to begin with -- to believe this assertion that he has the exact same numbers but somehow pulled those from Trump and lost them from Biden? Not possible.
99 posted on 10/15/2023 9:16:28 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (TrumpII)
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To: MGunny
RFK was a bigger supporter of Hillary , when she tried assume power. Never forget that one point alone.

Donald Trump donated to Hillary Clinton 12 times for a total of $16,500.

How much did Robert F Kennedy donate to Hillary?

100 posted on 10/15/2023 9:37:16 AM PDT by thegagline (Sic semper tyrannis! Goldwater in 2024)
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