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A couple of possibilities to explain Israel’s (and America’s) intelligence failures
American Thinker ^ | 10/08/23 | Andrea Widburg

Posted on 10/08/2023 4:58:46 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

For a sneak attack of the size Hamas launched against Israel to have happened (5,000 rockets, parachuters, towns infiltrated, Iranian and, possibly, Ukrainian involvement), there must have been an absolutely epic intelligence failure both in Israel and, to the extent the U.S. helps Israel with information, here in America, too. I have two ideas about how that could have happened, both of which are premised on significant problems within the two country’s intelligence services (especially Israel’s). I’ll start with the one that bespeaks actual evil and then get to the more likely one, which reflects human nature.

Some suggest that the Mossad is no longer working with the Israeli government but is, instead, doing whatever it can to undermine it. I’m perfectly ready to believe that. If you’ve been following the news about the reforms Netanyahu wanted to make to an out-of-control leftist judicial system in Israel, you know that many in the military and the Mossad were against Bibi’s actions. We’ve already seen in America that Deep State members cease to feel loyalty to their country as a whole and, instead, will use their government positions solely to advance one political party over the other.

Thus, it’s possible that anti-government personnel in Israel and anti-Israel personnel in the State Department in America (the ones who maybe could have helped prevent the attack) didn’t pay too much attention to chatter about a Hamas attack. They may have thought it would be like others before, with a little death here and a little death there. That would be enough to harm Netanyahu’s government without seriously harming Israel.

Image by DCStudio.

That’s a very scary idea. But here’s something that’s just as disturbing: Nobody caught what was about to happen because of institutional incompetence.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: hamas; intelligence; israel; terrorism
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To: SeekAndFind

“...the Mossad is no longer working with the Israeli government but is, instead, doing whatever it can to undermine it.”

Maybe that’s why the Mossad hasn’t taken out that piece of evil crap Soros.


21 posted on 10/08/2023 5:21:34 PM PDT by ryderann
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To: MayflowerMadam

> I don’t think there were failures. Things went exactly as
> planned. In the context of eschatology, we are circling
> the drain.

^^^^^^^
THIS!!!


22 posted on 10/08/2023 5:31:28 PM PDT by Westbrook (The Democrats are wizards at two things: Finding votes and losing evidence.)
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To: SeekAndFind

My thought.

The American regime supports zttacks by Iran and other groups on Israel while trying to maintain a different public image on it.


23 posted on 10/08/2023 5:33:20 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It didn’t fit the template. Like 911, where the script was to play along with hijackers and negotiate, an attack of this scope was new territory.

Like 911, a one off, but it only has to work once.


24 posted on 10/08/2023 5:35:16 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: spintreebob
I agree with this assessment.

Sometimes the senior folks don't want to hear the negative news...or potential negative news.

Which I imagine in the intelligence world there's always something about to blow up somewhere. And when it doesn't, then it becomes a case of the boy who cried wolf.

25 posted on 10/08/2023 5:46:17 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: SeekAndFind

Not failure. As planned.


26 posted on 10/08/2023 5:57:45 PM PDT by cp124 (80% of everything is fake or a lie.)
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the death toll is allegedly now over 700 according to government spokesman.


27 posted on 10/08/2023 6:00:03 PM PDT by catbertz
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To: catbertz

Death toll killed by muzzies will go over 1000, according to reasonable reports from several days ago, albeit privately. IDF and Intelligence are slow walking their dereliction.


28 posted on 10/08/2023 6:23:38 PM PDT by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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To: cp124
Not failure. As planned. /\ . . 415892-380db5dcfbeb19f04504e7abad605674-2 https://twitter.com/i/status/1710770625751457952
29 posted on 10/08/2023 7:19:56 PM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Vet, John Adams Descendant , deal with it.)
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To: ealgeone

I heard more explanations.

Israel (and US?) have extremely high tech radio & internet monitoring programs. They have the money & the management.

HAMAS waged a low tech strategy. There were low tech warnings. But there was no hi tech warnings not hi tech confirmation of the low tech warnings. So the warnings were ignored.


30 posted on 10/09/2023 8:18:54 AM PDT by spintreebob (ki .h Tg)
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To: spintreebob

Which leads to a point I’ve been making about technology and the military.

Most of our military depends on satelittes, but if WWIII breaks out, the first thing that goes are the satellites....then what?


31 posted on 10/09/2023 8:21:13 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: SeekAndFind

What did our CIA know and when did they know it? If they had no clue then the agency is worthless.


32 posted on 10/09/2023 8:23:51 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: dfwgator

Groan. Encrypted communications. They were equipped with secure comms. They were trained and ready. The Op order for the attack only went out a few hours beforehand via encrypted comms. Being a holiday it’s easy to see how it was not detected beforehand. It was all small arms, rockets, private vehicles, paragliders, etc. all of which are easy to conceal. Not like tanks and aircraft ramping up for a big operation.


33 posted on 10/09/2023 8:30:14 AM PDT by Justa (If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hamas / Israel

Ukraine / Russia

Same thing

Dnc jihad - shariah


34 posted on 10/09/2023 8:30:36 AM PDT by Firehath (Quackery - An irrelevant simplification / undetected Complex problem - attacking symptoms)
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To: dfwgator

Your question is good. There are 3 or more.

1. Spend big money on more of everything, on satelites that constantly change orbit, on new techologies

2. Avoid non-military mistakes that lead to war:
Don’t negotiate with terrorists.
Don’t have stupid economic and energy policies that finance an aggressor.
3. Both of the above.
4. Prayer
5. ? ? ? ?


35 posted on 10/09/2023 9:29:29 AM PDT by spintreebob (ki .h )
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To: spintreebob

Kinda what I’m thinking. No doubt they’ve studied the capabilities and have worked to evade them.


36 posted on 10/09/2023 10:21:58 AM PDT by ealgeone
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