Posted on 09/16/2023 8:06:33 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
Doctors say they're finding it increasingly difficult to distinguish Covid from allergies or the common cold, even as hospitalizations tick up.
The illness' past hallmarks, such as a dry cough or the loss of sense of taste or smell, have become less common. Instead, doctors are observing milder disease, mostly concentrated in the upper respiratory tract.
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Did you get the jabs??
Glad you’re okay, now.
What you call "government/establishment sanctioned sources" are actually the scientific community. Many scientists work at government agencies and I use the data they provide. Some data, like all-cause mortality data, is ONLY available from the CDC. There literally is no one else who collects that data. Scientific papers published in reputable journals are catalogued at PubMed.gov, but are written by scientists all over the world who work for a variety of institutions.
The blogs written by antivax/antiscience enthusiasts are not competing sources. The only reason I have to look at a blog would be to try to find the scientific source it misused to create disinformation. This is so that I can debunk the blog.
The reasons shedding of naked spike protein is not possible are rooted in the biochemistry of proteins and human biology.
1) Humans can only breathe, cough, or sneeze out particles in the respiratory tract. Humans can only shed spike protein that is on the surface of viruses that have infected the respiratory tract.
2) When a person receives a vaccine, the vaccine components travel to the nearest lymph node(s) in the arm. Any spike protein that is temporarily made remains in the lymph node, although small quantities might escape into the circulatory system. Either way, this vaccine spike protein never reaches the epithelial cells lining the respiratory tract, so cannot physically be shed from these cells.
3) Spike protein (whether from the vaccine or on the surface of an infective virus) is not a native human protein. This is why the immune system perceives it as a foreign invader and goes into action to remove and destroy it.
4) It would be possible to synthetically manufacture and purify spike protein and then deliver it to the nasal passages. Cells of the upper respiratory tract would then destroy the protein, just as they destroy all foreign substances that you breathe.
5) For context, you consume vast quantities of foreign proteins every time you put food into your mouth. These proteins come from plants, animals, viruses, bacteria, and fungus. Protein fragments from all of those species enter your blood during the digestion of food. In addition to the hundreds of thousands of foreign proteins you consume every day, you also have trillions of protein-filled bacteria, viruses, and fungi living within your body. Are you hysterically frightened that all of their foreign proteins are in your body right now?
If you want references for the physical basis of why a vaccinated uninfected person cannot shed spike protein, I suggest you read all of the biochemistry and cell biology textbooks and medical/scientific journal articles that I had to read in college and study them until you gain a full understanding of just how proteins function, how proteins are made and destroyed in the body, and how the body reacts when it encounters a non-human protein such as the spike protein or any other pathogen protein.
Professional antivaxxers know you have not studied any science and that you are unlikely to fact-check their claims. This is how they get away with telling you bilge like the notion that people who have received a vaccine then walk around shedding spike protein forever.
So entirely your speculation.
Bwahaha!!!
Well, that, and....FRAUDci drivel.
I just got one of the Johnson & Johnson shots, on April 1, 2021, and that’s no April Fool joke.
Unfortunately, I have reached my limit of free articles from Epoch times. So, whatever source they are misusing (knowing their readers will never read it) to make a claim that people who are vaccinated shed spike protein remains a mystery.
You quoted a naturopath. A naturopath is a practitioner of CAM and is not a scientifically trained medical doctor, so automatically is suspect as a source.
You linked to a naturopath’s website in which she claims that 26 people that she has seen in her “practice” had secondary vaccine effects. However, she provides absolutely no data to support this claim. She performed zero experiments to detect naked spike protein presence in the exhalations of vaccinated patients. She says this “Pfizer had acknowledged to the FDA that spike protein shedding from recently vaccinated people could occur by means of exhalation and skin contact, and that such exposure is “reportable to Pfizer Safety within 24 hours of investigator awareness.”” but the link to the supposed Pfizer study that “proves” this claim is dead.
However, since I am an experienced researcher and know how to use scientific databases, I was able to locate the study which Huber claims Pfizer lists spike protein shedding as a reportable event. The study number contained in the dead link is provided in the “other study ID numbers” listed in this study posted at www.clinicaltrials.gov:
https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT04368728?cond=covid-19&intr=vaccine&aggFilters=phase:1%202%203&term=pfizer&page=6&rank=51
You don’t have to read the entire study. Just expand all content then do a ctrl-F and search for the word “shedding” (or “spike” or “protein”). Those words are not there.
I did a PubMed.gov search because if any actual researchers who are STEM educated and have experience in infectious diseases research had found such shedding, their articles detailing such shedding would be found there. Using the term “SARS-CoV-2 spike protein shedding,” I found 73 references. However, none of them mention naked protein shedding from any vaccinated patients. Plenty of them mention virus shedding. And, of course, SARS-CoV-2 viruses are literally covered with spike protein. Feel free to search PubMed yourself and if you find an article describing non-virus associated spike protein shedding from vaccinated subject, please post the PubMed link here. Feel free to review some vaccine studies registered at clinicaltrials.gov, as well, and link any that mention protein shedding.
Here are links to the relevant textbooks on cell and biochemical level function of the human body:
Molecular Biology of the Cell Seventh Edition
Lehninger Principles of Biochemistry 8th Edition
The Cell: A Molecular Approach 8th Edition
These are Amazon links, so that you can drop hundreds of dollars on buying these books like I did when I was in college. Get back with me once you have read all of these books and tell me how what I told you about human biology is wrong. I'm always happy to correct myself, because one thing I hate is to give incorrect information.
No peer reviewed studies on your results. That’s what you’re saying.
And plenty of long-time, academic and professional biologists and doctors who disagree with your laughable take.
Development of community-spread, “shedding” vaccines for animal populations as well.
Pfizer itself specified how their initial trial participants were to protect those around them from shedding.
Who knows what they’ve really been jabbing people with and whether there is shedding or shedding to what degree with the jabs, but not possible? Bwahaha, once more.
Textbooks are written to incorporate and consolidate the results of DECADES of peer-reviewed studies.
You cannot actually debunk anything I have said, can you?
I’ll help you out a bit:
PubMed.gov is a database of articles published in reputable scientific/medical journals. The majority of these journals are peer-reviewed. The way to tell they are peer-reviewed is that they usually have a received date, a revised date, and a publication date. PubMed also publishes the abstract of most articles that it catalogues and a link to the full text.
www.clinicaltrials.gov is where most researchers all over the world register their clinical trials. There is a similar clinical trial registry in Europe.
www.fda.gov is where all information related to the approval of drugs (including vaccines and biologics) and medical devices is located.
If you can find and link, for example, a Pfizer document or an article published in the medical/scientific literature that actually states that there is a danger from “shedding” to people around Covid vaccine recipients or that Covid vaccine recipients shed viral proteins, post that link. It has to be from a credible website such as the Pfizer website, the FDA, PubMed, a recognized medical journal, or Clinical Trials.
Otherwise, you are just repeating basic antivax excuses for not being able to produce data that is acceptable to the scientific community.
Good for you, you made it through some undergrad bio/chem classes!
But your condescension doesn’t cover your being wrong and out of touch.
I’ll be charitable and attribute it to you being an earnest midwit, rather than you being a knowing and evil pharma sellout.
In other words, it’s turning into just another coronavirus.
Just as some predicted, the new mutations are milder, so the virus has a better chance of surviving and spreading.
I just took the original two Pfizer shots, but after some heart palpitations and finding out what the shot was doing to some younger people, I decided not to take any boosters.
I don’t think Trump had bad intents pushing the shot, but now there is the knowledge that we have a protein that can actually write the mRNA into our DNA. Hopefully, if that happened with me, the new gene is not turned on, or I could be in trouble.
Our kakistocracy really screwed the pooch on this one.
I should perhaps modify my last sentence: Strictly speaking, complications from the flu nearly killed my brother. But since flu and his smoking set up the conditions for the complications to occur, and since he’d not suffered serious health problems until he caught the flu, flu as a major causative agent still works for me. :(
But your condescension doesn’t cover your being wrong and out of touch.
Seriously, look who is condescending here. Belittling the knowledge I have as a PhD scientist because you can't refute any of the (referenced) information I have provided is the height of condescension.
I have noticed that when I refute (with references) people who have posted unscientific antivax rhetoric, they always resort to name-calling and insults. If they had information from a reputable source that contradicts the opinion of the scientific community, why don't they share it, instead?
And that's funny, calling me an "evil pharma sellout." I've never worked at a pharmaceutical company. There is only a limited number of organizations that hire PhD level scientists. Pharmaceutical companies, biotech companies, universities, and government. I worked for one type of organization, but have collaborated with all of the others as well as with scientists working in equivalent organizations in other countries. I have no doubt that the creators of antivax rhetoric have created conspiracies about every single one of those. Too bad the people who choose to believe those conspiracies don't have any suspicions about those who tell antiscience lies in order to sell their useless supplements and books. Unscrupulous people can become quite rich selling that stuff.
Those textbooks I linked earlier are used by both undergraduates and graduate students. Scientists keep those books throughout their career. Have you read them yet?
I stand by my statements and conclusions.
Well, in most cases people die when the COVID virus is past its peak infectious period. Usually they die of complications. This still leaves a trend as you say, BUT, it is possible for enhanced severity to arise from a “weakened” previously strain, and retain high infectiousness. This is how some nasty versions of flu arise.
In fact, H1N1 A (Spanish Flu) may well have re-emerged in the last couple decades as H1N1 A (Swine Flu) at least as deadly without treatment as the Spanish Flu. But, we have much better treatments now, the social situation is different (no World War going on), etc. Even so, swine flu damn well nearly killed my brother.
I thought you said, free spike protein doesn't exist in the body, it's always encapsulated in lipid nanoparticles.
So why are you attempting to discredit shedding by referring ONLY to a red herring of something that (according to you) does not even exist?
Incidentally, the destruction doesn't happen instantaneously anyway.
What's the mean free path of a spike protein in plasma anyway? What's the guarantee it doesn't run into an ACE2 receptor or a red blood cell before an enzyme runs into it.
Do the math, show your work. Including the Navier-Stokes equations for fluid flow inside capillaries.
We'll wait.
Here's chance to show off your CALCULUS!
Troll.
lol yes! It’s soooooo contagious that within 6’ of a victim, you’re a goner. BUT, to get a sample of the bug, they have to scrape 9” into your skull to the front side of your brain.
You left out the arbitrary 6ft, hand sanitizer every 10 seconds, plexiglass screen, wiping down any and all groceries, etc.
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