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What Happened When Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs
The Atlantic via MSN ^ | July 19, 2023 | Jim Hinch

Posted on 07/19/2023 3:05:27 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia

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I linked to the MSN version rather than directly to the Atlantic, as reading the latter requires a subscription.
1 posted on 07/19/2023 3:05:27 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

If for no other reason, Captain Obvious exists so that we can have a person in charge of making fun of the idiots on the left. After all, it takes marshmallow-major stupidity to think that legalizing drugs would improve anything...except drug availability.


2 posted on 07/19/2023 3:12:01 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

State leaders have acknowledged faults with the policy’s implementation.

It’s not the implementation of it it’s the stupidity of even thinking about doing it.


3 posted on 07/19/2023 3:12:44 PM PDT by Vaduz (....)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Shocking. I mean, the fact that they had to experiment with people’s lives to figure it out. Inexcusable idiocy.


4 posted on 07/19/2023 3:13:03 PM PDT by Spok
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

“And Oregon’s drug problems have not improved. Last year, the state experienced one of the sharpest rises in overdose deaths in the nation and had one of the highest percentages of adults with a substance-use disorder.”


This is what they want. This is what was intended.

When rulers despise much of the population of their country, they behave like demons and try to corrupt, degrade and destroy them.


5 posted on 07/19/2023 3:14:23 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I’ve read that Portugalhas the solution. Drugs aren’t illegal but they’ll do nothing for you if you’re sick or overdosed. Maybe pick up the body and cremate it because it’s a health hazard.


6 posted on 07/19/2023 3:19:59 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Any time liberals talk about “a more compassionate and nuanced response,” you know you’re in for about ten miles of bad road.


7 posted on 07/19/2023 3:24:38 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

There’s definitely something to be said for that. In principle I have no problem with decriminalizing narcotics … not because I am a libertarian by nature, but because I recognize how impractical — even futile — it is to control what people invest into their own bodies.


8 posted on 07/19/2023 3:26:52 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've just pissed in my pants and nobody can do anything about it." -- Major Fambrough)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Whenever I start a conversation about this madness I get a leftist telling me how great Amsterdam is with legalizing everything.

Not sure there’s a comparison.


9 posted on 07/19/2023 3:31:46 PM PDT by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: Da Coyote
Not so fast!
Yesterday Illinois did away with bail for anyone for any crime up to and including 2nd degree murder.
The reasoning for this is that “it's just not fair that only rich people can get out of jail while awaiting trial”.
This is probably an over simplificatioxn, but from what I've read, it is essentially what the left is yelling about.
There was a local DA on the news last night and they pretty much just said that they can't see much in the way of problems in getting these no bail release-ees back into court.
Can people REALLY be this stupid?
10 posted on 07/19/2023 3:39:23 PM PDT by skimbell
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I'm with you, although I understand Portugal offers treatments options for drug users.

For anyone who wants to say that it's stupid to allow people to use drugs and then offer treatment, we do the same thing for alcohol and cigarettes. Maybe we should make them illegal. Then we could not only eliminate drug use, but also use the same policies to eliminate alcoholism and cancer deaths.

11 posted on 07/19/2023 3:40:22 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Will whoever keeps asking if this country can get any more insane please stop?)
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It seems Oregon voters got what they voted for.

Previously, they voted to legalize marijuana which caused the decivilization and collapse of many small communities.

Now they can kill the ordinary citizens off faster.

12 posted on 07/19/2023 3:42:09 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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“What Happened When Oregon Decriminalized Hard Drugs”

Portland happened.


13 posted on 07/19/2023 3:42:34 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Well, if they got all booster shots, then no problemo.


14 posted on 07/19/2023 3:45:39 PM PDT by Mark (DONATE ONCE every 3 months-is that a big deal?)
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“Possession of hard drugs is illegal in the Netherlands but the drug laws allow for the possession of small amounts without legal consequences. For hard drugs the maximum amounts are: half a gram of cocaine, speed/ amphetamine, MDMA, methamphetamine. 1 XTC pill and less than 5 ml. of GHB. When you get caught with these amounts the police can confiscate them, but you won’t get a fine. If you posses more you’ll get a fine. Depending on the amounts you carry you can even get a prison sentence.”

https://www.amsterdamredlightdistricttour.com/news/10-amsterdam-drug-laws/

“In Amsterdam, hard drugs (like Cocaine, XTC, Speed, Ketamine, etc) can be tested anonymously and legally at the Jellinek or GGD drug testing service....The costs for these drug tests are 2,50 euro per sample.”


15 posted on 07/19/2023 3:47:41 PM PDT by Brian Griffin (ARTICLE I SECTION 2....The President...may require the opinion, in writing)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Uh oh. The FreeRepublic Drug Brigade will be here soon to refute this. Led by the FR Pot Regiment, of course.


16 posted on 07/19/2023 3:48:25 PM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Spok

“Shocking. I mean, the fact that they had to experiment with people’s lives to figure it out. Inexcusable idiocy.”

I’d be willing to bet that there’s laundered drug money going to politicians in Oregon.

They want a Darwin Award society, they’ll get one.


17 posted on 07/19/2023 3:51:57 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Unless there is something to take the place of criminal penalties when the drug usage becomes a public policy problem you are just going to have a growth in addiction.

But when local governments can no longer enforce or even have vagrancy laws or other means of getting users off the streets and in front of a judge their hands are tied. I also seriously doubt most local governments have the budget to provide facilities for addicts.

The result is a lot of piss in the streets.


18 posted on 07/19/2023 3:52:11 PM PDT by lastchance (Cognovit Dominus qui sunt eius.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

There was a recent Oregon article about adding to the needle exchange program. Oregon is distributing ‘fentanyl kits.’ Materials that will assist with fentanyl use, materials that are ‘healthier and safer.’

Re: Make cigarettes illegal. Rush talks about this all the time. If cigarettes were really as bad as they say, why are they allowed to sell them? As usual, the answer is $$$$$. There are State and Federal health programs that are funded by cigarette tax. The smoking public are funding health services; especially health services ‘for the children.’


19 posted on 07/19/2023 3:57:50 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus III (Do, or do not, there is no try)
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To: skimbell

Wouldn’t the solution to disparity in the income of the accused be to set bail giving weight to certain factors such as risk to community, severity of alleged crime, local ties, flight risk, past record, and employment history?. Only then adjust bail amount to reflect income equity. But not just scrap it all together.


20 posted on 07/19/2023 3:58:40 PM PDT by lastchance (Cognovit Dominus qui sunt eius.)
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